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Title: Jofra Archer
Post by: edge on November 29, 2018, 11:54:55 AM
The ECB has changed the qualification rules... Jofra Archer is available to play for England as of Jan 1st!

I'll just leave this here... https://twitter.com/Vitu_E/status/852844358248386561?s=19
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: richyreed on November 29, 2018, 12:09:01 PM
Good - a player of his calibre should be playing international cricket. I wonder who will make room for him though, Broad?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Buzz on November 29, 2018, 12:34:39 PM
I suspect he will get a run in the odi side first.
Also I suspect Anderson will retire after the ashes.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: six and out on November 29, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
I suspect he will get a run in the odi side first.
Also I suspect Anderson will retire after the ashes.

Yep agreed...... if i was Wood/Willey/Plunkett/Curran i would be most nervous
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 29, 2018, 12:50:21 PM
Would love to Jofra debut against the Windies, show them what they let slip through their fingers
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: rickjames on November 29, 2018, 01:47:01 PM
Morgan already played down selection for him for next year, I am sure he will stick to his word; unfair on the collective that have got us into this position
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: LateBloomer on November 29, 2018, 02:00:39 PM
I'm alot more excited about having him in the Test team
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: SD on November 29, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
We are at the point at the moment where it is probably easier to get in the test team than it is either of the limited overs sides.  He has the potential to be an important match winner across the formats for England
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 29, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Is he available as of 1st January?

I've just seen on Twitter (so it must be true...) that he's not done 210 days of year 3 living in England, and due to commitments to play overseas he may not be eligible until roughly March/April time meaning he'd miss the Windies tour
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: edge on November 29, 2018, 03:25:08 PM
Is he available as of 1st January?

I've just seen on Twitter (so it must be true...) that he's not done 210 days of year 3 living in England, and due to commitments to play overseas he may not be eligible until roughly March/April time meaning he'd miss the Windies tour
Seen the same news, but thought he'd been in the UK since 2015 (ie. 4 years)? Either way, you'd assume that given a nod from Ed Smith he'll be pieing off the t20 gigs pretty quickly if it means a potential debut in the Windies.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 29, 2018, 03:59:13 PM
are we even sure he'll be picked? this seems to be a move to bring the guidelines into line with the ICC

personally i think he should be for white ball cricket, he has that x factor and bats bowls and fields.

it would have to be in the squad for wood but wood doesn't play every game so is plunkett in danger of not playing?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Manormanic on November 29, 2018, 04:05:08 PM
I think he'd walk into even the ODI team - they have nine nailed on certs in YJB, Roy, Joe, Morgs, Jos, Stokes, Rashid, Woakes and probably Moeen then need two steamers from the Currans, Willey, Plunkett, Wood, Stone and now Archer
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: LateBloomer on November 29, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
are we even sure he'll be picked?

Did you watch the Ashes last winter? Yes he will be picked
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: edge on November 29, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
Never mind white ball, he does average 23 with the ball and 31 with the bat in first class cricket...
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 29, 2018, 04:48:22 PM
Never mind white ball, he does average 23 with the ball and 31 with the bat in first class cricket...

fair enough wasn't sure of his stats,

my point on the selection was the media was focusing on Jofra but there are others included in this change also

I'd say he has a place in the squads as a minimum!
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Sam on November 29, 2018, 05:02:06 PM
fair enough wasn't sure of his stats,

my point on the selection was the media was focusing on Jofra but there are others included in this change also

I'd say he has a place in the squads as a minimum!

Can't think of many other notable players around right now that will be affected by this?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 29, 2018, 05:05:52 PM
I think he'd walk into even the ODI team - they have nine nailed on certs in YJB, Roy, Joe, Morgs, Jos, Stokes, Rashid, Woakes and probably Moeen then need two steamers from the Currans, Willey, Plunkett, Wood, Stone and now Archer
Probably put a line through Wood, Willey and Stone tbh.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Manormanic on November 29, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
Probably put a line through Wood, Willey and Stone tbh.

I think that's harsh!
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 29, 2018, 08:00:24 PM
I think that's harsh!
Wood is arguably worst than Dernbach and Sam Curran is probably the same quality as Willey with the ball, Curran superior batsman. Stone only one could be aggrieved if he missed out for Archer tbh
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Duck Duck Mongoose on November 29, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
I'm sure I'll be really happy to see him taking loads of wickets for England but it does make me a bit sad for the state of world cricket when I see all these South Africans, West Indians and Irish players turning out for England against the countries that they probably grew up supporting.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Manormanic on November 29, 2018, 08:13:04 PM
Wood I agree is very hit and miss but Willey has a lot of credit with England. Stone would definitely have cause to grumble as this is the role that he was brought in for.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: ppccopener on November 29, 2018, 09:22:47 PM
I'm sure I'll be really happy to see him taking loads of wickets for England but it does make me a bit sad for the state of world cricket when I see all these South Africans, West Indians and Irish players turning out for England against the countries that they probably grew up supporting.

Indeed.i don't quite get how the rules have been changed now when previously they could not be- Archer can choose to play for who he wishes to having an English Father and presumably a West Indian mother.

However, I hope the ECB compensates the WI cricket board to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars as all we are doing is bleeding other nations of their players and making them weaker.

When India, Australia and England cut up the financial pie for the future they did it not caring if the other test playing nations went to hell in a hand cart.

Archer can play for whichever Country he wants to, but we need to compensate West Indies, he came thru their system not ours.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: SD on November 29, 2018, 09:40:45 PM
As far as I can recall Archer was dropped from the Barbados set up after injury problems.  He holds a British passport so came to play club cricket in England from where he was picked up by Sussex. 

I can see in cases it genuine poaching of players there may be an argument for compensation - although the other side of the coin is the argument that the player who holds dual nationality should be able to pick which country they want to represent.  However, this is a case where the player was rejected by the country he lived in so I can't see any argument at all for compensation from a country that gave him a route back into the professional game
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Sam on November 29, 2018, 10:05:01 PM
Indeed.i don't quite get how the rules have been changed now when previously they could not be- Archer can choose to play for who he wishes to having an English Father and presumably a West Indian mother.

However, I hope the ECB compensates the WI cricket board to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars as all we are doing is bleeding other nations of their players and making them weaker.

When India, Australia and England cut up the financial pie for the future they did it not caring if the other test playing nations went to hell in a hand cart.

Archer can play for whichever Country he wants to, but we need to compensate West Indies, he came thru their system not ours.

Archer wasn't good enough to get in the WI U19 squad when he started playing cricket in England, quite arguable that a lot of his major development happened in England surely?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: ppccopener on November 29, 2018, 10:39:51 PM
Archer wasn't good enough to get in the WI U19 squad when he started playing cricket in England, quite arguable that a lot of his major development happened in England surely?

Don't see it that way at all to be honest but everyone has a valid viewpoint on the forum and it's all be better for it.

I don't think myself the fact he missed selection at national level at some point in his early career is reason to say his major development was here.

England have seen the potential but how much credit we can take it very arguable. It's minimal in my view.

West Indies cricket is in a dire state, players with dual nationality will make their choice a lot of the time based on money..nothing wrong it's a professional sport, but should there be any compensation for the system that develops these players in other Countries?

It's a question that will bring different views.

Alternatively all the best players come to England and qualify and in ten years the only test matches are us v India v Australia?

Happy with that?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: FattusCattus on November 29, 2018, 11:02:09 PM
Hes just another in a long line - Small, Malcolm, Lamb, Hick, Lewis, Smith etc.

However, surely The Windies loss is our gain - hes hardly been poached. Get him in the system and see how he goes, for every Robin Smith there is a Graeme Hick- he can sink or swim by his own talent.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: edge on November 30, 2018, 06:28:54 AM
Wood I agree is very hit and miss but Willey has a lot of credit with England. Stone would definitely have cause to grumble as this is the role that he was brought in for.
Agree here, Willey consistently takes very early wickets which is priceless these days.

Re. 'Archer should be playing for the West Indies' - he's got a British father and has held a British passport since birth (or so I've read), so surely he can count himself a little unlucky that he has to go through a qualifying period at all?
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 30, 2018, 08:50:59 AM
Tbh I don't care whether Archer plays for England or Windies, but if rather his talent be seen on the world stage with England rather than wasted in T20 leagues like the majority of Windies best players
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Seniorplayer on November 30, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
Hes just another in a long line - Small, Malcolm, Lamb, Hick, Lewis, Smith etc.

However, surely The Windies loss is our gain - hes hardly been poached. Get him in the system and see how he goes, for every Robin Smith there is a Graeme Hick- he can sink or swim by his own talent.

This post got me thinking how many in the long line  ( born abroad ) have  captained England can count 18 but probably more.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on November 30, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Personally as an England cricket fan and overall a fan of cricket as a whole its great to have him available to play for England, as i think he could become as valuable to England as Stokes with his all rounder qualities. Add into the mix the way Sam Curran has started his test career and England are starting to produce some of the best allrounders in world cricket and I personally am a fan of having players that have more than 1 string to there bow.

Looking at the way Australia destroyed us away in the last Ashes series its good to see a bowler that has been able to bowl 90mph plus for a couple of seasons without breaking down and thats what we need in some away series and we also have Ollie stone who is also gas by all accounts. This is good to see with out current opening bowling pair coming into the last spells of what have been amazing careers the future isnt looking as bleak as it looked 12 months or so ago.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Manormanic on November 30, 2018, 03:38:41 PM
Agree here, Willey consistently takes very early wickets which is priceless these days.

He is also, in these days of multi dimensional players, a gun fielder and a mahoosive hitter of the ball.
Title: Re: Jofra Archer
Post by: Duck Duck Mongoose on December 07, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
Archer wasn't good enough to get in the WI U19 squad when he started playing cricket in England, quite arguable that a lot of his major development happened in England surely?

The way that politics impacts on West Indies selection I'm not sure that the fact that he wasn't playing U19 cricket for them necessarily means that he wasn't good enough to