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Title: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: petehosk on November 30, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
Here is one for you chaps! With the possible inclusion of Stone and other bowlers, plus the real possibility of Jofra Archer being in the English squad from 2019......
There are a lot of questions abut how he would be fitted in to an already crowded and competitve ODI and T20 team? Also people seem excited about him playing in Tests.
So thought it would be a good idea to see how everyone sees the different format English teams in English conditions? So don't worry about Asian conditions and I didn't want to add further complications by having to include 10 spinners!  ;)
Just English conditions and who would you have in there? Template below.....

TEST TEAM:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11

ODI TEAM:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11

T20 TEAM:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11

Will be intertesting to see if people would include Archer and others in different formats?
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 30, 2018, 12:04:29 PM
TEST TEAM:
1 Rory Burns
2 Joe Denly
3 Jonny Bairstow
4 Joe Root
5 Ben Stokes
6 Jos Buttler
7 Ben Foakes
8 Chris Woakes
9 Jack Leach
10 Stuart Broad
11 Jimmy Anderson

ODI TEAM:
1 Jason Roy
2 Jonny Bairstow
3 Alex Hales
4 Jos Buttler
5 Eoin Morgan
6 Ben Stokes
7 Mo Ali
8 Adil Rashid
9 Sam Curran
10  Chris Woakes
11 Olly Stone

T20 TEAM:
1 Jason Roy
2 Jos Buttler
3 Alex Hales
4 Eoin Morgan
5 Jonny Bairstow
6 Ben Stokes
7 Mo ALi
8 Adil Rashid
9 Liam Plunkett
10 David Willey
11 Olly Stone

the test side I'm happy with, the white ball i feel as though I'm forgetting people,
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Buzz on November 30, 2018, 12:31:43 PM
You have forgotten Joe Root, one of our best ever odi players...!
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: edge on November 30, 2018, 12:32:12 PM
Combining my opinion with an emphasis on the actual current selection here - e.g. Curran has to play in tests because they're obviously not going to drop him, and no daft ideas like Denly opening the batting or dropping Root ;)

TEST TEAM:
1 Burns
2 Jennings
3 Bairstow
4 Root
5 Stokes
6 Buttler
7 Foakes
8 Curran
9 Archer
10 Leach
11 Anderson

Slight reservation over Curran as a bowling all-rounder as I'm not convinced he's quite got it with the ball at test level, but it's all going so well for him that who's going to be the one to drop him! Ali vs Bairstow a bit of a toss up so the incumbent gets in. Broad will be pissed off but that's probably a good thing.

ODI TEAM:
The first choice ODI side is basically set in stone, not difficult here. The 4 squad reserves for the WC would be Hales, Dawson and then two from Stone, Archer and Tom Curran.
1 Roy
2 Bairstow
3 Root
4 Morgan
5 Stokes
6 Buttler
7 Moeen
8 Woakes
9 Willey
10 Plunkett
11 Rashid

T20 TEAM:
1 Roy
2 Buttler
3 Root
4 Hales
5 Morgan
6 Stokes
7 Ali
8 Archer
9 Willey
10 Plunkett
11 Rashid

Don't think this is all that hard to pick either, the first choice side is very settled - I'm bringing Archer in for Jordan.
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: cheese on November 30, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
TEST TEAM:
1 Burns
2 Jennings
3 Bairstow
4 Root (c)
5 Buttler
6 Stokes
7 Foakes (wk)
8 Ali
9 Curran
10 Broad
11 Anderson

ODI TEAM:
1 Roy
2 Bairstow
3 Root
4 Morgan (c)
5 Buttler (wk)
6 Stokes
7 Ali
8 Woakes
9 Rashid
10 Plunkett
11 Willey

T20 TEAM:
1 Roy
2 Hales
3 Buttler (wk)
4 Root
5 Morgan (c)
6 Stokes
7 Ali
8 Archer
9 Rashid
10 Willey
11 Jordan
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 30, 2018, 12:37:23 PM
You have forgotten Joe Root, one of our best ever odi players...!

So I have! Erm in that case he bats at 3 for hales how drops to the squad

Although hales could feel hard done by!
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: six and out on November 30, 2018, 01:59:47 PM
TEST TEAM:
1 Burns
2 Jennings
3 Bairstow
4 Root (c)
5 Buttler
6 Stokes
7 Foakes (wk)
8 Ali
9 Curran
10 Broad / Archer
11 Anderson

I have Archer in the squad and then it is a toss up between him and Broad

ODI TEAM:
1 Roy
2 Bairstow
3 Root
4 Morgan (c)
5 Buttler (wk)
6 Stokes
7 Ali
8 Woakes
9 Rashid
10 Plunkett / Archer
11 Willey / Archer

Again i have Archer in the squad - although i really don't want to rock the boat with the ODI side, one of the main things that Archer gives you is that he is a genuine death bowler, which is something this side has lacked in the past.

T20 TEAM:
1 Roy
2 Buttler (wk)
3 Hales
4 Morgan (c)
5 Bairstow / Root
6 Stokes
7 Ali
8 Woakes
9 Rashid
10 Archer
11 Jordan

I actually think there is a genuine case for players like Root, Bairstow etc... to rotate playing T20 series, so they aren't playing every single England game.
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Manormanic on November 30, 2018, 05:24:11 PM
On the basis of strongest sides, rather than sensible rotation policies, I would have:

TEST TEAM:
Burns
Buttler
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Archer
Broad/Curran
Anderson

Going to be honest here and say I dallied with a couple of alternative line ups - one without Jennings, one without Foakes.

ODI:
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Willey/T Curran
Archer
Rashid

T20:
Bairstow
Roy
Buttler
Hales
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Archer
Rashid
T Curran
Mills
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: stevat on November 30, 2018, 09:19:13 PM
In English conditions I'd have Anderson opening the bowling in every format to be honest.  Possibly even someone like Onions who swings it round corners.  Root, Stokes, Bairstow and Buttler in all three formats as well.

Archer certainly looks like he'd be a useful quick on overseas tours, but compared to Anderson and Broad, and the other County swing bowlers I'm not sure I'd pick him in the Test team straight away.
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: SD on November 30, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
I think what this shows is that we are building towards a group of players with a lot of variety and therefore have the potential to be successful abroad.  The last 15 years we have been very strong at home (someone with more knowledge than me maybe able to say when the last time we managed to win as many consecutive home ashes series as we have during this time) but since the loss of Swann we have lacked wicket takers in overseas conditions. 

It is very early days at this stage, but it looks like our hopes for our next trip to Australia won't be pinned on a bunch of mid-80s swing bowlers.  The flip side to this is that we may not be as successful in our own conditions
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 30, 2018, 10:20:39 PM
Not sure Archer alone would make us favourites to win in Australia or India tbh. We need more express bowlers coming through.
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Manormanic on November 30, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
But one of the key things Smith has pushed is the idea that consistency of selection can be married with some horses for courses selections. So in Oz, a side might feature Malan, Vince, Archer, Stone and Jamie O. But then we come back here to Headingley in May and see Jamie Porter and Ben Coad with the new cherry...
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: SD on November 30, 2018, 11:22:44 PM
Not sure Archer alone would make us favourites to win in Australia or India tbh. We need more express bowlers coming through.

Not at all, but having a couple of guys with genuine pace, variety in the spin department and a left arm seamer at least would give us s chance of being competitive
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: LateBloomer on December 01, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
You have forgotten Joe Root, one of our best ever odi players...!

But what does Joe Root bring to the party except runs?
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: edge on December 01, 2018, 07:35:25 AM
But what does Joe Root bring to the party except runs?
What does Joe 'averages 51 in ODIs' Root bring except runs? Even ignoring his bowling, I reckon runs is probably enough, especially in a team where we're so stacked with all-rounders that a bloke with 10 first class tons usually bats 11. Also if you don't pick Root, Hales comes in, who is less all-round than Root.
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: jamielsn15 on December 01, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
Keaton Jennings has an average of less than 18 in England with a top score of 48. I heard that he averages less than 2 for balls bowled at the stumps in England. I like the look of Burns and he deserves a run, but I'm not sure I'd be picking Jennings this english summer
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: petehosk on December 01, 2018, 01:52:12 PM
Keaton Jennings has an average of less than 18 in England with a top score of 48. I heard that he averages less than 2 for balls bowled at the stumps in England. I like the look of Burns and he deserves a run, but I'm not sure I'd be picking Jennings this english summer

I am also a little dubious about his technique in English conditions against decent pace!
Burns has proved he can bat in English conditions for the last 5 seasons, so I hope he gets a very decent run.
Jennings does deserve a run but he looks better in spin conditions than on greener wickets? I'm sure Denly will be watching patiently  ;)
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Dedman95 on December 03, 2018, 08:06:12 PM
I can see Roy opening the Batting in the ashes. I know Ed smith wants him in the side. What you guys think ?
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions....
Post by: ppccopener on December 03, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
I can see Roy opening the Batting in the ashes. I know Ed smith wants him in the side. What you guys think ?

Smith is certainly not afraid to go against the norm, there are going to be some selections that just don't work as he seems unafraid to take a risk.

Without wishing to sound old(and old fashioned) against class pace bowling you need technique because you cannot slap guys who are quality bowlers. Starc,Cummins,Hazlewood...these are good bowlers.

Roy does not have the defence to stay in long enough.Could he do a job at number 5 or 6? That's a different question.

But we already have a middle order bursting  at the seams. we couldn't possibly get anyone else in.... :)
Title: Re: England Team in all formats in English conditions......
Post by: Kanak on December 03, 2018, 08:45:26 PM
TEST
1. Dawid Malan/Ollie Pope
2. Rory Burns
3. Jonny Bairstow
4. Joe Root (C)
5. Ben Stokes
6. Jos Buttler
7. Sam Curran
8. Ben Foakes (Gloves)/Chris Woakes
9. Moeen Ali
10. Stuart Broad
11. Jimmy Anderson

ODI

1. Jason Roy
2. Jonny Bairstow
3. Joe Root
4. Eoin Morgan (C)
5. Ben Stokes
6. Jos Buttler (Gloves)
7. Moeen Ali
8. David Willey
9. Liam Plunkett
10. Adil Rashid
11. Jofra Archer

T20

1. Jos Buttler (C) (Gloves)
2. Jason Roy
3. Joe Root
4. Alex Hales
5. Jonny Bairstow
6. Ben Stokes
7. David Willey
8. Tom Curran
9. Adil Rashid
10. Jofra Archer
11. Chris Jordan