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Title: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Tom on May 06, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
Lovely article this:
https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/cricket-gear/salix-cricket-story (https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/cricket-gear/salix-cricket-story)
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: sarg on May 06, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
Enjoyed it too. Sharing now.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Grubby on May 07, 2019, 06:56:28 AM
Very good article.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Buzz on May 07, 2019, 08:45:59 AM
Interesting digs at the part makers/sticker up brands.

Or rather the lack of transparency they offer. I can't think of that many who aren't usually pretty transparent about who does what. There are a few around though.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: liscon12 on May 07, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Is this the same article that is found within Pro Directs Magazine?

Iíll try to get images of that article too
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: jonny77 on May 07, 2019, 09:09:19 AM
Not sure I understand some of the article tbh. If someone wants to buy part mades or finished bats and sell them, what's the problem as long as the quality is good? My current bat is one example of this and one of the best bats I've had. Made by a top batmaker, great customer service, fair price and a pleasure to deal with. I don't think he's clear enough there is a difference between companies doing this and the ones buying firewood or low quality, stickering them up and marketing themselves as a manufacturer.

Also as he mentioned it's hard to get started in the business as a true batmaker, as it is in any other other area the cricket industry I reckon. So starting your own brand etc maybe the only option available, out of a garage or not. Just because it can be advertised better and easier these days doesn't necessarily mean its wrong to do it.

I've contacted people in the cricket industry for advice on how I could forge any type of career in cricket and haven't had much coming back, so that sort of leads you to think that doing something for yourself maybe the only option.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: liscon12 on May 07, 2019, 09:09:27 AM
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Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Tailendfielder on May 07, 2019, 07:51:56 PM
Salix are my favourite bats, love them. I just cant afford them anymore 😢
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Sitonit on May 07, 2019, 08:50:29 PM
Quote
If you want to come and sweep up, youíre welcome to."

What does this mean?
If you want to come and clean my place, (like brooming)m you are welcome to" ?
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Tom on May 07, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
Not sure I understand some of the article tbh. If someone wants to buy part mades or finished bats and sell them, what's the problem as long as the quality is good? My current bat is one example of this and one of the best bats I've had. Made by a top batmaker, great customer service, fair price and a pleasure to deal with. I don't think he's clear enough there is a difference between companies doing this and the ones buying firewood or low quality, stickering them up and marketing themselves as a manufacturer.
I think Kember's issue is that these companies try and align themselves with the likes of Salix - thereby taking work which otherwise may have gone to a genuine UK batmaker keeping the trade going.

What does come across is that he's a big advocate of batmaking here in the UK; one of the few companies who has taken on apprentices over the past few years.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: jonny77 on May 07, 2019, 09:22:23 PM
I think Kember's issue is that these companies try and align themselves with the likes of Salix - thereby taking work which otherwise may have gone to a genuine UK batmaker keeping the trade going.

What does come across is that he's a big advocate of batmaking here in the UK; one of the few companies who has taken on apprentices over the past few years.

It just came away as a bit snobby to me and a little 'if you're not doing the whole process you're not worthy' type of thing. We all know some of the best batmakers (UK ones too) provide bats to 'sticker companies', who from what I've seen don't claim to make them themselves. Nothing wrong with that for me at all. Or even someone making from part mades in a shed. As I said I can imagine its almost impossible to get an apprenticship or way into this line of work now.

 Maybe I've misunderstood his comments, just how it came acrosss to me.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: skip1973 on May 07, 2019, 09:23:05 PM
What does this mean?
If you want to come and clean my place, (like brooming)m you are welcome to" ?
Yes exactly what it means, it's called a foot in the door, a place where young people don't like to start anymore.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Sitonit on May 07, 2019, 09:36:46 PM
Yes exactly what it means, it's called a foot in the door, a place where young people don't like to start anymore.

Oh ok.
Sounded more like an insulting way to deny someone's a position at your place in a very mean way.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Kulli on May 08, 2019, 05:12:12 AM
It just came away as a bit snobby to me and a little 'if you're not doing the whole process you're not worthy' type of thing. We all know some of the best batmakers (UK ones too) provide bats to 'sticker companies', who from what I've seen don't claim to make them themselves. Nothing wrong with that for me at all. Or even someone making from part mades in a shed. As I said I can imagine its almost impossible to get an apprenticship or way into this line of work now.

 Maybe I've misunderstood his comments, just how it came acrosss to me.

Salix also do some contract bat making, or have donenin the past anyway.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Dazz on May 08, 2019, 07:29:44 AM
Salix are my favourite bats, love them. I just cant afford them anymore 😢
Arrange a visit to the factory and Iím sure youíll be pleasantly surprised! Andrew will make a bat for any budget, within reason obviously.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on May 08, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
It just came away as a bit snobby to me and a little 'if you're not doing the whole process you're not worthy' type of thing. We all know some of the best batmakers (UK ones too) provide bats to 'sticker companies', who from what I've seen don't claim to make them themselves. Nothing wrong with that for me at all. Or even someone making from part mades in a shed. As I said I can imagine its almost impossible to get an apprenticship or way into this line of work now.

 Maybe I've misunderstood his comments, just how it came acrosss to me.

His issue from personal knowledge is that people have used pics of his workshop and sanding rooms etc on there websites =, social media to give the impression they have all the kit etc when they donít.
When you speak to him on a personal level one of the nicest and most knowledgable person in the game. He is also very proud of what he and very few others do, he refers to himself as a podshaver which is the professional term for a person that makes cricket bats and he has grown Salix from nothing to what it is today, every press, jig, bench etc is deisigned and made by him so i can understand why he would get frustrated when some claims to do and be able to do what he and others have taken decades to achieve basically overnight with the creation of a webpage or facebook page.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: jonny77 on May 08, 2019, 07:22:10 PM
I get that and if anyone is trading off his success that's obviously out of order. Just didn't think this came through in the interview and was liked he was having a dig at anyone who wasn't that size. I'm sure he's a top bloke and I've got huge respect for his skills, just didn't get his viewpoint.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: ppccopener on May 08, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
Tradional batmaking under John Newbery, Gray Nicholls, Gunn and Moore etc was quite different to today's part made bats or bats that are 'stickered up' so to speak. To my knowledge back in the day this new style of sellers did not exist. Kember is one of the tradionalists so you can see where he is coming from. I quite like the fact he wants to protect the tradional values, nothing wrong with bats being made elsewhere and sold under a brand if people want to buy this type of product its up to them.

If you look at what he does and then look at brands that claim to be tradition 'every bat made in Lower Beeding' that's the type of thing he is fighting to protect. I think we know who I'm talking about.

I'm a huge fan of their bats but unless they are second hand well out of my price range.

I've been to the factory a couple of times and had 10 mins with him to help me choose a bat. I found him friendly, a bit shy of dealing with us clubbies but above all quite a humble bloke.

The advice he gave me remains whenever I think about needing a new or used bat.

More power to Salix I wish there were more like him and not like the Lower Beeding brands who don't make all there bats there. Are you listening IJC  :)
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Gurujames on May 08, 2019, 08:26:41 PM
The advice he gave me remains whenever I think about needing a new or used bat.


What advice was that?
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: ppccopener on May 08, 2019, 08:43:09 PM
What advice was that?

Within reason pick a few bats in your range, then ignore the dead weight and get the one that picks up the best.

So if you use 2lb 9 for example pick 2lb 10/11, 2lb 8 or 7 etc....

And a well pressed grade 2 bat is equivalent for us club players as a grade 1.

Pressing is key and that goes back to Newbery when their bats were made by one or two of the best batmakers in the Country.

I don't know who makes Newbery bats now but whoever owned a decent grade one in the 80's, 90's..I'm not sure about after that...would know what I mean.

They were fantastic bats, hard to say for sure but they seemed pressed beautifully and picked up fantastically well.

My opinion only but I believed in that period you could not buy a better bat, I think it's a shame they are not the brand they were.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on May 09, 2019, 12:25:56 PM
Much like I took for granted getting JM to whip me up a new Screaming Cat every season, i think we should appreciate the likes of AJK and what he is doing to pass on his skills, whilst he chooses to do so. When he is gone, he is gone!
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: InternalTraining on May 09, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Are Salix bats so much better than other bat makers out there?
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Gurujames on May 09, 2019, 01:38:47 PM
Iíve had 3 and theyíve all been outstanding. That said they are no better than some other bats Iíve had/have.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: InternalTraining on May 09, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
^ GBP 699 for "Finite" which is the top of the line Salix.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: ppccopener on May 09, 2019, 03:31:27 PM
Salix Pod I had about 10 years ago still the best bat ive ever owned.

its the balance......and pressing

However, there are others around making great quality bats, couple of H4L's have been superb.

Salix wont tell you they make bats better than anyone else, they just do it their way.As for the prices, they are on a par with others now or have been overtaken.If you have a limited amount of money to spend there are other choices around thou.

bats have become unaffordable (new) in my opinion in comparison with prices 10-20 years ago.

if a salix comes up on Ebay I woul still pick it up and use it before most anything else

Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Sitonit on May 09, 2019, 05:32:42 PM
Salix Pod I had about 10 years ago still the best bat ive ever owned.

its the balance......and pressing

However, there are others around making great quality bats, couple of H4L's have been superb.

Salix wont tell you they make bats better than anyone else, they just do it their way.As for the prices, they are on a par with others now or have been overtaken.If you have a limited amount of money to spend there are other choices around thou.

bats have become unaffordable (new) in my opinion in comparison with prices 10-20 years ago.

if a salix comes up on Ebay I woul still pick it up and use it before most anything else

I thought their bats look a bit more lean and thin to suit what's happening in the modern day cricket where the strategy is, "See the ball, Hit the ball".

That elegance and stylish play looks to be a diminishing art - unfortunately.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Tailendfielder on May 09, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
Are Salix bats so much better than other bat makers out there?

Ive had more than a couple and they are best Iíve had.
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Yorkershire on May 10, 2019, 10:58:02 PM
How does their grading work? I've always wanted  Salix but never gotten around to it... or bought something else..
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Grubby on May 11, 2019, 04:38:05 AM
How does their grading work? I've always wanted  Salix but never gotten around to it... or bought something else..
Finite G1 Finite grades will be the best pieces of wood that Salix have in the workshop i.e. tight grain, predominantly sap wood (the whiter looking timber), no blemishes and exceptional performance.  A very rare grade.
Players G1
Marque G1
Performance G2
Select G2
Alba G3
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Yorkershire on May 11, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Thanks @Grubby . Interesting to see him praise TK...

I'm early 40s now... cant see myself playing much longer...  think I will probably end up buying 1 more bat in the future...
Currently using a GM Noir 808... and love it..

Never tried a TK and is currently my choice if next bat... but I've always... wanted a Salix too as I think the finishing is a thing of beauty...   :(

PS I'm not spending over 500 squid...
Title: Re: Andrew Kember on how he started batmaking and the industry
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
Within reason pick a few bats in your range, then ignore the dead weight and get the one that picks up the best.

Hurrah!