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Title: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 04:22:36 AM
Its the GM Neon 808 that i got back in February. Hasnt yet fully opened up enough for me to take it into a game. Been just netting with it and today i notice this. What started as a surface crack on the face (which i superglued and sanded) You can now already see the crack forming all along the toe. Can this be saved at this point or is it just a matter of time?

(https://i.postimg.cc/mr8D1WrZ/IMG-20191002-081340.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq3DswYM/IMG-20191002-081430.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hn58yvKS/IMG-20191002-081553.jpg)
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: KW9221 on October 02, 2019, 05:04:41 AM
I think it is just a matter of time. It looks pretty bad mate.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: alexhilly1492 on October 02, 2019, 06:03:38 AM
A mate had something similar that was fixed and has been fine since

V sports in Coventry did the work and put a lamitoe in and it's been fine since bat is a canon though
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 06:06:13 AM
A mate had something similar that was fixed and has been fine since

V sports in Coventry did the work and put a lamitoe in and it's been fine since bat is a canon though
Unfortunately i dont think anyone here in the UAE is capable of pulling off something like that
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: alexhilly1492 on October 02, 2019, 07:11:30 AM
Unfortunately i dont think anyone here in the UAE is capable of pulling off something like that

if you think its dead, give it a go yourself? whats the worst that could happen?

sounds like your expecting to need a new bat anyway, best case scenario would be you keep a bat that you like and enjoy using, worst case you get a new bat.. win win???
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
if you think its dead, give it a go yourself? whats the worst that could happen?

sounds like your expecting to need a new bat anyway, best case scenario would be you keep a bat that you like and enjoy using, worst case you get a new bat.. win win???
This sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: jayralh on October 02, 2019, 07:20:46 AM
I had similar crack to one of my bats. I glued it and did play with it untill one missed shot and it opened up again.
Fix it yourself and see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 07:25:03 AM
Think i will just go ahead and keep using it in the nets until it gives in. Was a net bat anyway. Cause it hasnt yet opened. Wait for the crack to open and then have a go at fixing it
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on October 02, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
If you got in Feb this year, you could always just email GM and see what they say, they may offer to repair free of charge or even replace, which is unlikely but you never know.

If your looking at Lamitoe maybe email or contact Dean at Vulcan cricket and ask his advice as he puts these in as standard on Vulcan bats
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 08:23:30 AM
If you got in Feb this year, you could always just email GM and see what they say, they may offer to repair free of charge or even replace, which is unlikely but you never know.

If your looking at Lamitoe maybe email or contact Dean at Vulcan cricket and ask his advice as he puts these in as standard on Vulcan bats
I dont think toe damage like this covers in the GM warranty. It is afterall completely my fault and i dont blame GM in any way whatsoever. Moreover i have had to remove the stickers cause they were on top of the scuff sheet (so frustrating) so not sure if they will entertain. Worth a try though. Any contact details?
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Komdotkom on October 02, 2019, 10:19:25 AM
Lamitoe is hard to do without the right equipment, at the very least you'll need a plunge router and a guide jig.
I think a dowel would be just as successful for this repair and much simpler to execute without heaps of tools.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Kulli on October 02, 2019, 12:40:57 PM
I dont think toe damage like this covers in the GM warranty. It is afterall completely my fault and i dont blame GM in any way whatsoever. Moreover i have had to remove the stickers cause they were on top of the scuff sheet (so frustrating) so not sure if they will entertain. Worth a try though. Any contact details?
SWilkinson@unicorngroup.com
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 12:44:58 PM
SWilkinson@unicorngroup.com
Thanks mate. I will drop an email
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Jimmy Tiwana on October 02, 2019, 02:02:59 PM
Think i will just go ahead and keep using it in the nets until it gives in. Was a net bat anyway. Cause it hasnt yet opened. Wait for the crack to open and then have a go at fixing it

Find a local carpenter (finish carpenter) with a cricket background (Commonwealth nationality), which will be easy to locate in UAE. Show them few YouTube clips on how to insert a dowel, and they may do the job for free.

Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Gurujames on October 02, 2019, 02:33:27 PM
On the one occasion that I fitted a lamitoe I used a bandsaw. I think a router would prove far more difficult.
With willow being such a soft timber a sharp hand saw, chisel and a vice is all you need to fit your own by hand and any compentent joiner would do this in no time.
Fitting a dowel is in my view a less good option but is a very simple job.
Good luck
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: beaver5 on October 02, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
Split my GN through the blade in 2 places at the toe, going up about 4-5". I drilled in from the side, glued and dowled it. Lots of glue, sanded, then some fibre tape. Used it all winter in nets and last 5 games of the season. Still holding up fine. Worth giving it a go rather than scrapping it.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Cricket_PTY on October 02, 2019, 03:18:42 PM
With a couple of dowels and maybe binding aswell i think it can be saved....

Cheers....
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Ajdal on October 02, 2019, 08:24:00 PM
If this were a CA, youíd have posted in 3 different groups on Facebook, a YouTube review, a CBF thread on how it had zero percent moisture content, bad handle, incorrect pressing etc and thatís why you had a few surface cracks on a 2.8 bat with 50 mm edges ;)
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 02, 2019, 08:41:39 PM
If this were a CA, youíd have posted in 3 different groups on Facebook, a YouTube review, a CBF thread on how it had zero percent moisture content, bad handle, incorrect pressing etc and thatís why you had a few surface cracks on a 2.8 bat with 50 mm edges ;)
Ohh here we go again. This is toe damage and it is through complete fault of my own because i played a very very poor shot. I have never had a bat go like this by my own hands in my life so in a way i am kinda proud of myself. Ca however have many problems not related to toe damage. When u middle a ball u dont expect a piece of wood to fly off from the edge. Also, u dont make 50mm bats that weigh 2.8 and market it to people as top of the range because u dried the life out of it. People dont know better and it is basically fraud. Im a grown up and i take responsibility for my actions. What happened to this bat is my fault because i got it for peanuts and abused the hell out of it. The Ca, on the other hand, is the 2nd most expensive bat i have ever bought and i used it with a lot of care. And it didnt last 2 games without a major repair every time i used it. And the pattern repeated with another Ca 5000 i got, another Ca 5000 my teammate bought, a Ca 15000 another teammate bought, and most recently, another Ca dragon 40mm my teammate got last month. So no. No matter how many times we have this argument, Ca aren't what they used to be 6 years ago and i wouldnt spend my money on one. And that is the end of this particular debate from my side
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: KW9221 on October 02, 2019, 09:38:12 PM
Ohh here we go again. This is toe damage and it is through complete fault of my own because i played a very very poor shot. I have never had a bat go like this by my own hands in my life so in a way i am kinda proud of myself. Ca however have many problems not related to toe damage. When u middle a ball u dont expect a piece of wood to fly off from the edge. Also, u dont make 50mm bats that weigh 2.8 and market it to people as top of the range because u dried the life out of it. People dont know better and it is basically fraud. Im a grown up and i take responsibility for my actions. What happened to this bat is my fault because i got it for peanuts and abused the hell out of it. The Ca, on the other hand, is the 2nd most expensive bat i have ever bought and i used it with a lot of care. And it didnt last 2 games without a major repair every time i used it. And the pattern repeated with another Ca 5000 i got, another Ca 5000 my teammate bought, a Ca 15000 another teammate bought, and most recently, another Ca dragon 40mm my teammate got last month. So no. No matter how many times we have this argument, Ca aren't what they used to be 6 years ago and i wouldnt spend my money on one. And that is the end of this particular debate from my side
Perhaps the flaw is not with them but in your techniques and lack of preparation. I have 2 Ca 10000 that I abuse in nets and they are the best bats I have got. I use them for hard hitting toward the end of my inning.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: prim0pyr0 on October 03, 2019, 12:34:22 AM
Perhaps the flaw is not with them but in your techniques and lack of preparation. I have 2 Ca 10000 that I abuse in nets and they are the best bats I have got. I use them for hard hitting toward the end of my inning.

Do you play tennis ball cricket?  :D
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: KW9221 on October 03, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
Do you play tennis ball cricket?  :D
No. I just take care of my bats. I have never broken a bat in my life.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 03, 2019, 04:08:46 AM
And you think i dont take care of my bats? I have had a BB and an SS for nearly 2 years and they have been doing great with no damage at all. Hell this is the 1st GM that broke among 5 that i have used. In the case of this particular GM, yes fault in the technique. I tried to go bonkers in the nets and mistimed one. But im not that type of batsman. All due respect, you dont know me, neither have you ever seen me bat or my technique. So no, when you middle a drive and a piece of wood snaps from the side of your bat, it is not a flaw in your technique.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 03, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
So i emailed to Mr. Wilkinson over at GM and he redirected me to the retailer which was pdc. Emailed their customer service and this is what they replied.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x8k4FSfv/Screenshot-20191004-020939-01.jpg)

I guess it is fair enough. I will keep using it until it gives up. And hope that GM get off their high horse and stop putting their anti-scuff sheets under the stickers. I thank you all for your usual support and suggestions
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on October 04, 2019, 10:55:26 AM
High horse? Lolz. They do it so the scuff isnt full of bubbles over the sticker.

Is that the official line they give?
I suspect there may also be a case of putting the scuff sheet under the stickers so you have to either risk bodging a refurb yourself or send it back to them and pay a premium.

Maybe I'm just being cynical though...
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 04, 2019, 12:15:29 PM
Thatís what they say and it makes sense (assuming the scuff and stickers overlap which of course they donít need to do)

As I say, with the latest stickers especially, it is very possible to peel up the bottom section and do your own refurb
With the new stickers yes. But mine was the old neon and a large part of the stickers were under the sheet. I wouldv loved to keep the stickers but just couldnt. They tear right up
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 04, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/wxDwDVyT/received-441049386623739.jpg)
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Whispering Death on October 04, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
Thatís what they say and it makes sense (assuming the scuff and stickers overlap which of course they donít need to do)

As I say, with the latest stickers especially, it is very possible to peel up the bottom section and do your own refurb

GM scuff sheets IMO are the worst to remove as they always take bits of wood away regardless of how carefully you do it!

However, they are also some of the best quality scuff sheets out there so you win some...
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 04, 2019, 12:22:58 PM
GM scuff sheets IMO are the worst to remove as they always take bits of wood away regardless of how carefully you do it!

However, they are also some of the best quality scuff sheets out there so you win some...
Its true and i absolutely love the GM sheets. The GN extratec come a close 2nd. I would never have removed it if i didnt have to repair that face crack
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 04, 2019, 12:57:09 PM
Yep those old stickers never go back because of the two sharp corners at the bottom.

I chopped the bottom off so I could keep the stickers but maintain the face without any extra hassle

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48841766421_34835e9daa_c.jpg)
All or nothing for me 😂
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: KettonJake on October 04, 2019, 01:07:37 PM
Its true and i absolutely love the GM sheets. The GN extratec come a close 2nd. I would never have removed it if i didnt have to repair that face crack

They are the same thing made by the same company

Most brands use the same product produced by one manufacturer.

Always take a sheet off edge to edge and heat it (hairdryer) first to avoid stripping any wood
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: prim0pyr0 on October 05, 2019, 12:52:48 AM
Its the GM Neon 808 that i got back in February. Hasnt yet fully opened up enough for me to take it into a game. Been just netting with it and today i notice this. What started as a surface crack on the face (which i superglued and sanded) You can now already see the crack forming all along the toe. Can this be saved at this point or is it just a matter of time?

(https://i.postimg.cc/mr8D1WrZ/IMG-20191002-081340.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq3DswYM/IMG-20191002-081430.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hn58yvKS/IMG-20191002-081553.jpg)

Just had a closer look at that crack. Looks like the one going through the toe is not starting from the face crack i.e maybe not so bad, possible that on the toe line isn't a crack. what does the back of bat look like?
Best bet is to take off the tape, give that area of the face and the toe a sand down with a orbital sander to a nice smooth finish then asses the cracks. superglue on the sanded toe will highlight cracks as they turn darker and more visible.
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on October 05, 2019, 08:57:50 AM
Just had a closer look at that crack. Looks like the one going through the toe is not starting from the face crack i.e maybe not so bad, possible that on the toe line isn't a crack. what does the back of bat look like?
Best bet is to take off the tape, give that area of the face and the toe a sand down with a orbital sander to a nice smooth finish then asses the cracks. superglue on the sanded toe will highlight cracks as they turn darker and more visible.
Will do that mate. Cheers
Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Mfarank on November 22, 2019, 09:44:05 AM
So an update on this. As i expected, it was inevitable and the crack accross the toe gave up and split the bat right open. It did give me the opportunity to shove a lot of glue in there and clamp it back together. Tried to insert 2 dowels of 8mm x 7cm to reinforce, the first one was perfect but botched the 2nd one which broke about a few mm from the top when i was hammering it in so i filled it up with glue and sawdust and gave the whole thing a nice sanding to smooth things out. I have had 3 nets with it since the repair and it looks like it has held up pretty well. Some life left in this feather afterall. Here are some pics

(https://i.postimg.cc/RFYrbNGW/IMG-20191122-132732.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8chSJTBs/IMG-20191122-132654.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0Qj3kRK/IMG-20191122-133043.jpg)

Title: Re: Can this be saved?
Post by: Gurujames on November 22, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
Good effort. Though I would redrill the spilt dowel, even if it is 15mm into the edge, as the dust and glue wonít last and will look a bit bodged.