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Title: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 23, 2020, 11:17:49 PM
Is that his bat making a whipping sound?

https://youtu.be/gB3pQVUF-5s?t=53

https://youtu.be/HQSfXiERijI?t=37

Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: AJ2014 on January 23, 2020, 11:42:04 PM
These are batting machines! 😀
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: SD on January 24, 2020, 12:04:01 AM
The bat speed Banton generates is unbelievable
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: ch1p on January 24, 2020, 12:45:19 AM
I'm glad I dont have to try and stop some of those balls.

It's great that the teams make footage like this - really fascinating to see just how good they are up close
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 24, 2020, 01:12:21 AM
The bat speed Banton generates is unbelievable

It's just ridiculous!
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Buzz on January 24, 2020, 10:11:15 AM
Can Banton play shots through the off side or is it all moo territory?

Banton is clearly a class white ball player, but it would be good to know of he has an all round game with an eye on the red ball stuff.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 24, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
I may be in the minority here but I think my favorite shot from the 2 videos is the Labuschagne run down to third man
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: richyreed on January 24, 2020, 10:32:14 AM
Can Banton play shots through the off side or is it all moo territory?

Banton is clearly a class white ball player, but it would be good to know of he has an all round game with an eye on the red ball stuff.

From what I have seen he is a far better t20/odi player, but can still score in red ball cricket, pretty much a jason roy. I did see Vaughan saying he think Banton should give up his IPL contract to play county cricket as he thinks he could slot in at 6 if pope moves up the order.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 24, 2020, 10:42:29 AM
From what I have seen he is a far better t20/odi player, but can still score in red ball cricket, pretty much a jason roy. I did see Vaughan saying he think Banton should give up his IPL contract to play county cricket as he thinks he could slot in at 6 if pope moves up the order.

Yes, Pope has batted his whole career at 6 (apart from his first go at Test cricket, classic England...) and has just made his maiden Test match hundred batting there. The logical thing to do is to move him up the order to get another biffer with a mediocre (albeit a small sample size) first class record in!

Michael Vaughan is a tool!
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2020, 10:50:01 AM
Vaughan is an attention seeking idiot since he retired. Loved him as a cricketer but as a pundit he takes notes from the Katie Hopkins manual.

Banton to me looks like he has shots all round the wicket, have a watch of some of his Blast innings and he's not just a legside biff merchant. He might well develop into a Test batsman long term but he is already good enough to be in consideration for the England T20 side I reckon.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: edge on January 24, 2020, 11:38:12 AM
Somerset rate Banton as a red ball talent too, the trouble may be if he ends up a fixture in the white ball teams he'll never play much first class cricket, a la Roy/Buttler. Hard to see him making it in tests if that's the case, but he's definitely got the all-round game of he gets the chance to develop his long form batting.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: edge on January 24, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
This is from a couple years ago, full net session

https://youtu.be/RNTkhA_0fj4
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Buzz on January 24, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
Amazing how white ball cricket can mess with good technique!
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Post by: ch1p on January 24, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
I know it's a different format, different wickets and allround different circumstances but that net session was the same season he has come out and said he averaged 9 in 1st grade cricket isnt it?

Perhaps his change in technique has helped him overall.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 24, 2020, 03:36:44 PM
Can Banton play shots through the off side or is it all moo territory?


On a technical note, other than opportunity to play red-ball cricket, why can't some batsmen hit fluidly on the off side? Physiological - different muscle group engagement? Hand-eye coordination? Vision - difference in left v/s right eye and the angles?
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Buzz on January 24, 2020, 03:44:05 PM
Grip and or hip position usually.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 24, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
Grip and or hip position usually.

What's a good grip for off side play?

What's missing in the hip position? Or, what's the correct hip position for off side play?
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 24, 2020, 03:48:52 PM
In the net where he is facing the camera, Banton appears more front-on in his body position than side-on. Isn't this the style of batting that's championed by Gary Palmer?
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 24, 2020, 04:24:34 PM
What's a good grip for off side play?

A white chevron... ;)
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2020, 04:51:37 PM
In the net where he is facing the camera, Banton appears more front-on in his body position than side-on. Isn't this the style of batting that's championed by Gary Palmer?

Palmer definitely advocates for something similar, yeah. When you read his explanation of why he believes in it, it does make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Buzz on January 24, 2020, 07:40:27 PM
Give me Ollie Pope or Zac Crawley's technique over Sibley's every day of the week.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2020, 07:47:28 PM
Give me Ollie Pope or Zac Crawley's technique over Sibley's every day of the week.

I'd settle for any of their techniques if it came with their ability  :D
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: LEACHY48 on January 24, 2020, 07:53:54 PM
I know it's a different format, different wickets and allround different circumstances but that net session was the same season he has come out and said he averaged 9 in 1st grade cricket isnt it?

Perhaps his change in technique has helped him overall.

Came out and scored almost 500 runs in a season averaging 30 with a high score of 122.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 24, 2020, 10:36:36 PM
^ Did that happen after he stopped training with Tom Scolley? Banton looked bored in that video.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: LEACHY48 on January 24, 2020, 11:17:52 PM
^ Did that happen after he stopped training with Tom Scolley? Banton looked bored in that video.

Both happened in the same season
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: ch1p on January 24, 2020, 11:20:50 PM
Whether it was Scollay or not Iím happy it happened  :D hopefully thereís a long England career ahead of him whacking it!
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: SD on January 25, 2020, 12:59:21 AM
I don't agree that he would be better off at this stage in his career starting the season in the CC than going to the IPL.  You can have the best technique in the world but if you can't mentally handle the step up to international cricket then it matters not.  He will learn an awful lot about himself being thrown into that environment.

There is a lot made across a lot sports at the moment that players are so heavily coached from such an early age they they can't work things out for themselves when they enter the professional game.  I am all for players prepared to step out of their comfort zones 
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: Jimbo on January 25, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
I don't agree that he would be better off at this stage in his career starting the season in the CC than going to the IPL.  You can have the best technique in the world but if you can't mentally handle the step up to international cricket then it matters not.  He will learn an awful lot about himself being thrown into that environment.

There is a lot made across a lot sports at the moment that players are so heavily coached from such an early age they they can't work things out for themselves when they enter the professional game.  I am all for players prepared to step out of their comfort zones

Pretty much this. Look at what moving to Germany at a young age has done for Jadon Sancho's football career. I'd rather see Banton try to excel in the formats he is already very talented in before trying to expand or change his game to play Tests.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: cricketbadger03 on January 25, 2020, 04:16:50 PM
What I first noticed with Labuschagne is how open his stance was, as well as how deep in the crease he appeared to be.

I'm a fairly decent batsman, but it's food for thought for me as I cannot play a full-blooded cut to save my life. I hardly get into such a position.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: InternalTraining on January 25, 2020, 07:00:21 PM
What I first noticed with Labuschagne is how open his stance was, as well as how deep in the crease he appeared to be.

Smith is the same way but I feel it is more front-on than open.

On a personal note, my batting did improve with a more front-on stance than side on...something to do with my vision I guess. Cricket is a very "traditional" sport where lot of conventional wisdom goes unchallenged. I took a lot of flak for it but people don't argue against numbers. I tried a lot of different open stances but something inspired by a certain English coach helped me settle on a style. On the pro-scene, it was nice to see someone like Smith change to a "open" stance although people thought he was nuts but his numbers are great. Labuschagne is the same way but he has more reach on the off side, he is a tall guy with long reach. For a short batsman like me, off side can be a problem because I don't have that reach. Naturally, I compensate by moving around in and out of the popping crease.

In the end, whatever works for your body, reflexes, and your vision.
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: cricketbadger03 on January 26, 2020, 04:28:25 PM
On a personal note, my batting did improve with a more front-on stance than side on...something to do with my vision I guess. Cricket is a very "traditional" sport where lot of conventional wisdom goes unchallenged. I took a lot of flak for it but people don't argue against numbers.

For a short batsman like me, off side can be a problem because I don't have that reach. Naturally, I compensate by moving around in and out of the popping crease.

Well said re the unchallenged conventions!

I also slightly opened up my stance last summer for the first time and it paid dividends. Stopped falling over as much and cover drive came back having lost it whilst utilising a back-and-across trigger in 2018. More importantly, I felt so balanced at the crease.

Like you say, I'm slowly learning what seems to work for me both technically and it terms of my game-plan. I think that's now holding true in int'l cricket where we see less convention followed but still a lot of success. Though those who aren't good enough for test cricket still remain not good enough for test cricket!
Title: Re: Net Action - Pretty Amazing!
Post by: AJ2014 on January 31, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
Well said re the unchallenged conventions!

I also slightly opened up my stance last summer for the first time and it paid dividends. Stopped falling over as much and cover drive came back having lost it whilst utilising a back-and-across trigger in 2018. More importantly, I felt so balanced at the crease.

Like you say, I'm slowly learning what seems to work for me both technically and it terms of my game-plan. I think that's now holding true in int'l cricket where we see less convention followed but still a lot of success. Though those who aren't good enough for test cricket still remain not good enough for test cricket!
good point, I've open stance as well but not as much was in the past, easier to bat on both sides of the wicket, but for left arm over the wicket, against  pacers