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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: InternalTraining on February 08, 2020, 07:15:33 PM

Title: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 08, 2020, 07:15:33 PM
I am thinking about shaping a handle to fit my grip ergonomically. For that to work, I'd have to remove the twine. I am wondering what's a good easier way to add support to a handle without using twine - the new shape may not be perfectly round hence twine may not stay in place.

Have you used any material other than twine? Medical tape all over?
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 08, 2020, 08:32:57 PM
"medical tape" is a fairly vague description.

You could use either plaster taple like Elastoplast (other brands are available) or zinc oxide tape on the handle. The Elastoplast is stretchy, while zinc oxide tape is rigid so would probably give a firmer feeling handle.

As far as the handle not being totally round this wouldn't effect the twine staying in place. Put some glue on the handle, pull the string tight so there's tension when re-binding it and apply some glue over the top once it's done and it should stay in place.

Curious to see what this ergonomic handle design looks like :)
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on February 08, 2020, 09:05:37 PM
Either fabric strapping (plaster tape) or zinc oxide tape is your best bet.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Kulli on February 08, 2020, 09:39:34 PM
Glued twine should stay in place really well. Unless your shaping a handle from scratch I canít imagine the new shape would be wild enough to cause any issues with that.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on February 09, 2020, 08:14:11 AM
The twine will follow the shape of the handle so doesnít really matter what shape it is. I had a classic bat company bat in for repairs and copy a few years ago and the base of the handle was almost a hexagon shape. Not the easiest to replicate but binding went on absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: LukeFramBurton on February 09, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
I did something that might be similar last season. I rotate the bat slightly when I bring it down to drive, so altered my grip after some coaching feedback. As such, I grip the handle off-centre (only way I can think to describe it) with my bottom hand. To ensure that I donít slip back to a traditional grip, I made the handle an semi-oval but at a 45 degree angle to the spine of the bat. I removed the binding, used kinesiology tape to build up the handle and then rebound it, using glue as has been suggested. Twine has stayed in place absolutely fine.

If you are doing similar, Iíll see if Iíve got some pictures of the process.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 09, 2020, 04:47:50 PM
I did something that might be similar last season. I rotate the bat slightly when I bring it down to drive, so altered my grip after some coaching feedback. As such, I grip the handle off-centre (only way I can think to describe it) with my bottom hand. To ensure that I donít slip back to a traditional grip, I made the handle an semi-oval but at a 45 degree angle to the spine of the bat. I removed the binding, used kinesiology tape to build up the handle and then rebound it, using glue as has been suggested. Twine has stayed in place absolutely fine.

If you are doing similar, Iíll see if Iíve got some pictures of the process.

I also place my bottom hand's "V" off center, a little.

Pics would be great, thanks!
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 09, 2020, 04:50:23 PM
The twine will follow the shape of the handle so doesnít really matter what shape it is. I had a classic bat company bat in for repairs and copy a few years ago and the base of the handle was almost a hexagon shape. Not the easiest to replicate but binding went on absolutely fine.

Duncan Fearnley?
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 09, 2020, 04:54:20 PM
Duncan Fearnley?


Classic Bat Company was actually the brand!

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33951.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33951.0)
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: LukeFramBurton on February 10, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
I also place my bottom hand's "V" off center, a little.

Pics would be great, thanks!

Here are ones that I took when I did it. Iím going to re-grip it at the weekend so Iíll get some of the binding too.

https://ibb.co/R2VMg8s
https://ibb.co/D7dHCMC
https://ibb.co/6y75L1s
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 10, 2020, 09:32:58 PM
Here are ones that I took when I did it. Iím going to re-grip it at the weekend so Iíll get some of the binding too.

https://ibb.co/R2VMg8s
https://ibb.co/D7dHCMC
https://ibb.co/6y75L1s

This is great! Thanks!
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Komdotkom on February 11, 2020, 03:33:37 AM
I have a training bat that I use in the nets which has a small piece of welding wire (110mm long and 1.2mm) super glued on top of the binding which runs down at an angle so that it sits in the knuckle joint of my top hand. I know I'm not rotating the bat in my hands when I can feel the welding wire lump is in the correct location. It took a few goes with just hot glue before sticking it down for the last time, works a treat and I've trained myself now to hold the bat in the correct orientation.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 11, 2020, 03:57:51 AM
^ Can you post pics?
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Komdotkom on February 11, 2020, 05:00:28 AM
I'll grab one when I get home
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: edge on February 11, 2020, 09:13:26 AM
There is a product in Aus that is essentially a rubber strip to do the same thing. Maybe it was a grip with a fat rubber strip I canít remember. I saw it again in the BBL but canít for the life of me remember the name. Anyone else remember?
Squirrel grip? There was a wild moulded grip out of NZ a while back too, both were marketed as a training aid for young kids I think.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Butterfingerz on February 11, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
There is a product in Aus that is essentially a rubber strip to do the same thing. Maybe it was a grip with a fat rubber strip I canít remember. I saw it again in the BBL but canít for the life of me remember the name. Anyone else remember?

https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product (https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product)
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 11, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
There is a product in Aus that is essentially a rubber strip to do the same thing. Maybe it was a grip with a fat rubber strip I canít remember. I saw it again in the BBL but canít for the life of me remember the name. Anyone else remember?

Was it a squirrel grip?

https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product (https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product)
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 11, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
I didn't see this had ticked over to a second page and the question has already been answered hours ago! :-[
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 11, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product (https://www.cricketcentre.com.au/product-group/14418-squirrel-locator-bat-grip/product)

That's interesting. I hadn't seen this before.

There was another product discussed here which had more pronounced ridges on the surface of the grip. Another thing I remember about it was how expensive it was. :D
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 11, 2020, 02:47:03 PM
That's interesting. I hadn't seen this before.

There was another product discussed here which had more pronounced ridges on the surface of the grip. Another thing I remember about it was how expensive it was. :D

I think they were the 2mm bat grips which were endorsed by Daniel Vettori.

Does anyone know if they're still available?  :D
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 11, 2020, 03:15:40 PM
^ Yes, that's what I was thinking about. Almost USD 30.

Looks like a very good idea but too expensive.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 11, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
I'm still curious to try one if I can get hold of one.
At the time they were first discussed there were a couple of things put me off ordering.

1) they cost a fortune for a grip
2) they weren't available in the UK, only from New Zealand (so add postage to the already high cost)
3) worst of all, they didn't come in white!
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 11, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
^ Well, in other sports, people do equipment trials by trying something and then shipping it to the next person to try it out. This way, the whole groups gets to experience/use an equipment and share their thoughts - excellent set of pros/cons. This may not work across the pond (cost prohibitive shipping) but could be tried in the UK (or N. America exclusively).

Something for CBF-ers to consider.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Chompy9760 on February 11, 2020, 11:10:43 PM
Great knowledge, that was the one I had in mind. I think one of the middle order for the Melbourne Stars uses it but that is the only time I've seen it used. Bargain at 50 dollars!!!

I know Daniel Hughes (sydney sixers + NSW) uses one.  His salute when he made a hundred, was to hold the bat up by the blade, showing the squirrel grip.  He had quite a lot of success with it early in the season, and did many of these celebrations during NSW 1 day and 4 day matches.  Apparently Alex Blackwell used one, but I can't think of any others.

I've also noticed Kane Williamson spinning the bat in his gloves while in his batting stance, and having eyes on the bowler.  I thought it odd, but the bat always seemed to settle in the perfect position without him looking at it.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: bigblue365 on February 11, 2020, 11:22:38 PM
You can use tennis over grip to shape the handle. Its cheap and you can experiment on the shape till you find perfect fit.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: sarg on February 11, 2020, 11:23:40 PM
$50 hmm pass.

Strips of tape under the grip or a strip of yoga mat foam trimmed and sanded will do the same job.

I did some videos on diy handle mods

https://youtu.be/StIvyvJsVNk

https://youtu.be/T73vkP7Eb7k
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 11, 2020, 11:48:09 PM
^ Very cool!
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Churchy1989 on February 12, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
Any ideas about where you can get the GN Aus tape binding?
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: sarg on February 13, 2020, 04:17:01 AM
Any ideas about where you can get the GN Aus tape binding?

it's found...wait for it...

on GN Australia made bats.

As i said in the non flexible video zinc oxide tape is fine. their tape is even thinner.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: LukeFramBurton on February 16, 2020, 06:50:12 AM
I know that this thread has gone off on a bit of a tangent, but hereís photos of the binding over the top of the built-up handle. Itís held in place well, no slipping or anything like that.

(https://i.postimg.cc/xqXfv9mc/0-FB0-BCDE-D1-FF-42-E7-A431-11-E6-AC921310.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xqXfv9mc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KRLmWQJb/9-F0-C5-CC3-082-F-4-F9-D-833-C-C2203-F71-B459.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRLmWQJb)

Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Buzz on February 16, 2020, 10:01:50 AM
This is a 40 year old size five.
I believe it is a gn.

Interesting twine string tape used (obviously not the parcel tape) the shape of the shoulders look familiar too...

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXs66D6M/IMG-20200216-095741.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSZW51cw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zp7rNHx/IMG-20200216-095807.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3Rvwyp5)

Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: InternalTraining on February 16, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
@LukeFramBurton and @Buzz , very cool pics!

I have an old, broken bat with an intact handle. I will use combination of tape and cut-outs of grips on top of twine to create bumps.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Psi on February 16, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
This is a 40 year old size five.
I believe it is a gn.

Interesting twine string tape used (obviously not the parcel tape) the shape of the shoulders look familiar too...

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXs66D6M/IMG-20200216-095741.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSZW51cw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zp7rNHx/IMG-20200216-095807.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3Rvwyp5)

Sorry to be dense, do you mean it looks like a TK made?
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: edge on February 17, 2020, 07:32:16 AM
Sorry to be dense, do you mean it looks like a TK made?
Suspect TK wasn't making bats 40 years ago! The men who he learnt the trade from were though.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Psi on February 17, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
Sure. The neat indentations in the shoulder do look familiar. There is a similar vintage GN on Ebay at the moment and this has similar indentations on both front and back of shoulder. Ultra lightweight too. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223914768175 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223914768175)
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Tom on February 17, 2020, 10:59:32 AM
Suspect TK wasn't making bats 40 years ago! The men who he learnt the trade from were though.
Tim is 62...
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: edge on February 17, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Tim is 62...
Ah, older than he looks in the videos etc that make it online! Could well have been him then if he started young.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Churchy1989 on February 19, 2020, 01:23:05 PM
Ah, older than he looks in the videos etc that make it online! Could well have been him then if he started young.

He has an avocado farm in NZ.
Title: Re: Alternatives To Bat Handle Twine
Post by: Psi on February 19, 2020, 03:41:39 PM
So does this mean avocado Wood will be the next big thing in bats?  ;)