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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: bluex57 on September 12, 2020, 12:39:57 PM

Title: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 12, 2020, 12:39:57 PM
Hi

I have searched quite a bit but haven't seen any discussions around comparing butterfly willow with a standard grade 3 bat.

The reason I am looking for this comparison is because they fall under the same price bucket.

I currently have a Keeley grade 3 which is my favourite in my collection and it pings even better than a Kippax grade 1+ I have.

I am looking into buying a butterfly willow bat but thinking if it is worth investing in one or should I stick with a grade 3 instead?

1) What would you pick and why? We can ignore the looks and grains because i am only thinking of performance here.

2) Would you pick a cleft with butterfly stain in the playing area or would you prefer the playing area to be clean?

Looking to hear from you guys!



Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Jimbo on September 12, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Grading is, generally speaking, a cosmetic scale and not based on performance. No reason a butterfly couldn't be an absolute gun. Believe the stained area will be harder but I've heard quite a few people say that the stained area of the face went even better than the clean willow.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Gurujames on September 12, 2020, 12:48:13 PM
Personally I would prefer a butterfly purely based on the fact that I like the look. In my experience of bats the Grade has no relation to its performance.
I like the stain smack in the middle of the playing area.
In my opinion this is a very subjective area and much will come down to personal preference rather than hard facts.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Buzz on September 12, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Butterfly every single time.
If you can get a good one with a clean face.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sDK4BQm1/IMG-20200912-185850.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRkMwYdy)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rwmC5VZj/IMG-20200912-185830.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XpRCbbbB)

Or

(https://i.postimg.cc/5y2jD0Ck/IMG-20200912-190121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkgqyJn8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/C1NzvDzq/IMG-20200912-190132.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b1ky1dk)

It is always best to choose it in person though to test it and sometimes they need some extra oil to help play them in.

When choosing always look for the same things you want for a top grade bat. Well pressed, evenly spaced grains and a well balanced bat.

My two are guns.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on September 12, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
Personally Iv always found Butterly bats to perform very nicely, if the stain is in the playing area it is a bit harder than a sapwood blade but performance is not worse but it does sound a bit firmer until itís really played in.

I have this one available that Iv made if you want to try a Butterly cleft.
As you can see the stain is outside the main playing area and itís a lovely bat

(https://i.postimg.cc/yxG18NqY/31-A235-CF-474-B-45-DE-BA1-A-E987-A4-EA52-D3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5rMkfYZ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5YXdhST/3715-BBBF-C2-E4-4-B20-BA0-E-63-E8245514-D3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFNGbLLy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pXgVNyYs/663-EFF09-00-BD-4-B76-BB69-87-D4793100-DF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnHb8z7h)

Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Neon Cricket on September 13, 2020, 08:00:51 AM
Having had quite a few G3 and Butterfly bats, I'd say it's pretty much negligible - both perform equally as well imo (I'm a big advocate of performance being down to the batmaker's ability as opposed to the grade of willow, I've used a G2 myself all season when I've had the choice of 150 odd bats so happily put my money where my mouth is etc...!)

G3s tend to look nicer, however like @Buzz says if you get a clean butterfly then they're pretty much unbeatable value wise.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 14, 2020, 11:16:35 AM
Thanks everyone for the replies. Really appreciate it.

Thanks Soulman for the offer but unfortunately I am already in conversation with RS so can't take you up on your offer. Sorry.

They have given me an option to choose from the following 4 clefts:

Cleft 1:
https://ibb.co/RSTdfsY

Cleft 2:
https://ibb.co/p0cPY4P

Cleft 3:
https://ibb.co/JtSW2Gm

Cleft 4:
https://ibb.co/G5FTnnk

Will you guys be able to help me choose please?

Thanks
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Jimbo on September 14, 2020, 11:27:16 AM
Cleft 3 for me.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Buzz on September 14, 2020, 11:34:44 AM
Probably cleft 2 for me.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Jlscarroll17 on September 14, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
Cleft 2 for me, but cleft 3 is a very close second
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on September 14, 2020, 12:51:37 PM
Cleft 1 for me as from that image it looks like butterfly is more towards the edge and playing area looks like sapwood
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: brokenbat on September 14, 2020, 03:08:38 PM
Cleft 1 for me as from that image it looks like butterfly is more towards the edge and playing area looks like sapwood

Isnít the whole point to get the butterfly in the playing area (crispier ping)?
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Mfarank on September 14, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
Cleft 3 for me
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 14, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Isnít the whole point to get the butterfly in the playing area (crispier ping)?

That's what i thought as well. If you want more sapwood than why go for a butterfly anyway?

Thanks for your response guys.

Looks like it is either 2 or 3. Depending on which one is lighter, i'll pick that one.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bigblue365 on September 14, 2020, 07:07:30 PM
I would choose cleft 2.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 14, 2020, 10:22:08 PM
I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer to this.

What is the difference between the butterfly stain and heartwood? They both seem to have darker shade in the bat/cleft.

Or is the darker part still heartwood in a butterfly bat and the massive spot on the right is the butterfly stain (see below)

https://ibb.co/G5FTnnk

Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Buzz on September 15, 2020, 06:52:57 AM
Heart Wood is the inside of an old tree, it tends to be brittle but really can fly.
A butterfly stain is one of the below and can make the wood darker too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C1NzvDzq/IMG_20200912_190132.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b1ky1dk)
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 15, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
Heart Wood is the inside of an old tree, it tends to be brittle but really can fly.
A butterfly stain is one of the below and can make the wood darker too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C1NzvDzq/IMG_20200912_190132.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b1ky1dk)

Ah ok, makes sense. So essentially, the darker tone in this is the butterfly stain and not heartwood? I believe Cleft 2 that you suggested has some dark wood so presumably that is not heartwood?

I am a bit skeptical of heartwood and want to avoid it because I have one bat which has heartwood on the edge and without even much use it has cracked quite a bit.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Buzz on September 15, 2020, 11:46:34 AM
Probably cleft 2 for me.

😉

The stain will give longevity to the bat too.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: moonball on September 15, 2020, 01:18:45 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies. Really appreciate it.

Thanks Soulman for the offer but unfortunately I am already in conversation with RS so can't take you up on your offer. Sorry.

They have given me an option to choose from the following 4 clefts:

Cleft 1:
https://ibb.co/RSTdfsY

Cleft 2:
https://ibb.co/p0cPY4P

Cleft 3:
https://ibb.co/JtSW2Gm

Cleft 4:
https://ibb.co/G5FTnnk

Will you guys be able to help me choose please?

Thanks

Cleft 3 for me.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Jimmy Tiwana on September 21, 2020, 11:02:59 PM
Cleft 2 for me
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: 100 not out on September 23, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
they tend to be heavier though, anyone ever seen a butterfly break.?
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: DorsetDan on September 23, 2020, 08:55:15 PM
Yes of course, why not?
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 24, 2020, 04:05:43 PM
thanks for the response guys

i actually ended up choosing another cleft as the ones in the thread were too heavy to end up with a 2.10 bat.

I have just got the pictures of the finished bat weighing at 2.11:

https://ibb.co/WK9wZg1

https://ibb.co/HhHh2HM

looks great to me, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on September 24, 2020, 04:08:33 PM
How does it feel in your hands?
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 24, 2020, 04:11:06 PM
havent received it yet - will post an update next week when i have got it - hopefully it picks up light!!
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Chad on September 24, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
The engraving is a really nice touch, I like that.

Looks a good one, the grains are spread evenly, and the definition of the grains and watermarking I've often attributed with bats that ping. (Had a fair few which look like that which performed excellently)
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Tom_90 on September 24, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Mini thread hijack. I’ve also jumped on the RS butterfly hype train (https://i.postimg.cc/N01qpXs4/D97-F89-C9-34-FF-42-FD-8-B97-56-B82-A5-AE7-E0.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Gp0nFKCt/975-DD378-4500-4-DBD-9469-4580-FD4-DA393.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Should hopefully have it in the next week or two
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: bluex57 on September 24, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
Mini thread hijack. Iíve also jumped on the RS butterfly hype train (https://i.postimg.cc/N01qpXs4/D97-F89-C9-34-FF-42-FD-8-B97-56-B82-A5-AE7-E0.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Gp0nFKCt/975-DD378-4500-4-DBD-9469-4580-FD4-DA393.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Should hopefully have it in the next week or two

haha excellent!
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: jonny77 on September 25, 2020, 08:12:01 AM
What's the cost of these shipped if you don't mind me asking? Just wondering what the difference is between them and a UK made lower grade.
Title: Re: Butterfly Willow vs Grade 3
Post by: Alvaro on September 29, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
£130