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Title: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 08:49:04 PM
Gents / Ladies
 
As Norbs is not around I'm opening up a ask the bat maker thread - get your questions in here and we'll get them answered over a few days!!!!

Thanks
 
Andy
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Washington on November 10, 2010, 08:53:37 PM
Hi Andy, when you first started out making bats, what kind of set up did you have? Small shed/garage/workshop? Did you do an apprenticeship with anyone or are you self taught?

Dan
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on November 10, 2010, 08:54:48 PM
what do u use to sand/finish ur bats? and whats the most important tool in your opinion?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: d7bow on November 10, 2010, 08:55:08 PM
Probably been covered before but, how do u get the bats 'middle'? And why can it not be over most of the bat?
cheers
Rob
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: roco on November 10, 2010, 08:55:58 PM
What is your favourite shape to make
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: essexarsenal on November 10, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
How did you learn to make a cricket bat and when did you realise you wanted to do it as a career ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: johan95 on November 10, 2010, 09:10:50 PM
Best number of grains which will give both performance and longevity...? Cheers!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: FattusCattus on November 10, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
When refurbing a bat, what is the best way to remove that stubborn fibreglass tape.

I'm giving Ugly Betty a birthday and she's covered in whispy bits!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
Excuse my ignorance (yes that should be automatically inserted at the top of ever post I make), but are Norbs and SAF bats not the same person?

Yours,
Confused.
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
Hi Andy, when you first started out making bats, what kind of set up did you have? Small shed/garage/workshop? Did you do an apprenticeship with anyone or are you self taught?

Dan


Garage and I loved it - first one was pretty bad i got overly involved in the techie side of things and forgot about the pratical side of things.... I am self taught but had some great pointers from some great bat makers out there!

Nowadays, and from things I've learnt, it is all about understanding the willow, the customer needs and not making bats for the hell of it. That is , picking up a piece of willow and saying that will do but making bats from willow to suit the customer needs and understanding why the bat shape will meet those requirements
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:15:10 PM
what do u use to sand/finish ur bats? and whats the most important tool in your opinion?

Oscar the dog and a helmet for safety
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:21:46 PM
Probably been covered before but, how do u get the bats 'middle'? And why can it not be over most of the bat?
cheers
Rob

you get that middle based on the shape of bat, I imagine that isn't a surprise to you but you need to understand why the middle is middle of bat and how you can get techie areas into that middle.  I don't mass produce for this reason, if I made every piece of willow into the same shape the middle wouldn't be in the same areas it is effectively a laws of physics thing. Density, shape, pickup,weight distribution etc etc is all important.  Get one from a machine and get one from a "true" bat maker and you'll see the difference.

Why it [the middle] can't be over the whole of the bat? There isn't enough wood based on the end weight and it would look like a brick on stick
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
What is your favourite shape to make

The Fabrica and Audax ------
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:25:00 PM
How did you learn to make a cricket bat and when did you realise you wanted to do it as a career ?
Thanks

2006 I started and I was asked by a friend as i was making a guitar at the time, oh and a coffee table and a cabinet for the wife :D    I realised it might be a career optionwhen I won the All Out Cricket awards this year but the brand is really only just starting and we are taking it forward next year
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
Best number of grains which will give both performance and longevity...? Cheers!

No real answer to this, willow is an organic material and it depends on how it is prepared in the bat making process and how it is looked after by the person that owns it.
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: skippy on November 10, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
would bat finisher be bnetter thatn bat maker as name of someone who makes from part mades?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
When refurbing a bat, what is the best way to remove that stubborn fibreglass tape.

I'm giving Ugly Betty a birthday and she's covered in whispy bits!

A blunt plane blade or knife will scrap the fibre off, then some alcohol based solution then the blunt thingy again
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: johan95 on November 10, 2010, 09:29:46 PM
CHeers Andy, I've been looking after my Custom Erus very well; I love it- it's great! :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:29:51 PM
Excuse my ignorance (yes that should be automatically inserted at the top of ever post I make), but are Norbs and SAF bats not the same person?

Yours,
Confused.

Nope Norbs is related to SAF but has his own opinions.... SAF wouldn't be with out Norbs and Norbs wouldn't be without SAF
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Howzat on November 10, 2010, 09:30:48 PM
Yes Canners Norbs is Andy who is also SAF - same person
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:36:01 PM
would bat finisher be bnetter thatn bat maker as name of someone who makes from part mades?

In my opinion you can screw up a well pressed cleft by shaping incorrectly just as easily as pressing a really nice piece of willow badly,  they go hand in hand. I do take exception to people that sell machined shaped bats as handmade bat with there stickers on them and just sand them that isn't bat making in any sense of the word... That is called sanding!!!!!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
CHeers Andy, I've been looking after my Custom Erus very well; I love it- it's great! :D

no worries glad you got hold of one indirectly and like it
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:38:28 PM
Yes Canners Norbs is Andy who is also SAF - same person

Did Canners ask the question Leo?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Howzat on November 10, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
What stage do you begin making your bats from Norb?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Howzat on November 10, 2010, 09:40:54 PM
Did Canners ask the question Leo?
My mistake didnt read it properly please substitute "Canners" for "Jon" and all will once again be fine and dandy
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 09:42:08 PM
Ok now I'm thoroughly confused :D

Thanks Andy and/or SAF and/or Norbs
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:45:01 PM
What stage do you begin making your bats from Norb?

Norbs or SAF
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Ok now I'm thoroughly confused :D

Thanks Andy and/or SAF and/or Norbs

thank Oscar the dog
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Howzat on November 10, 2010, 09:46:26 PM
Norbs or SAF
Has James from Lekka been teaching you the art of forum posting?!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
thank Oscar the dog

Is Oscar the dog a particularly strong ale?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 09:49:21 PM
Has James from Lekka been teaching you the art of forum posting?!

Nah Leo, I've got my sound turned right up and I've not heard any toys falling from the pram yet :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
Has James from Lekka been teaching you the art of forum posting?!

Nope, Norbs is banter account but is helpful as well in terms of Q&A. SAF is an advertiser account and is running this Q&A

But to answer you previous question....

Norbs made his bat from pressed clefts, I make my bats from start to finish... Pressing, handling and shaping each of them myself
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 09:51:46 PM
Is Oscar the dog a particularly strong ale?

he's my black lab and chief sander, however he's turned to the dark side and not allowed in the workshop at the moment
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
he's my black lab and chief sander, however he's turned to the dark side and not allowed in the workshop at the moment

Ah, so Oscar is Norbs.

And your bats are made by a dog. Unique selling point I'll admit. :)

Yes, that's it.
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: mdl_1979 on November 10, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
What's the best bat you've used (excluding your own)?  And which batmakers out there do you respect the most?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Washington on November 10, 2010, 10:01:11 PM
If you are not making a custom bat i.e just a stock bat how do you know its finished? Do you have a set of parameters to work to before you start on cleft e.g. 2.10lbs, low middle etc or is it an evolutionary process where you let the willow decide?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 10:06:10 PM
Ah, so Oscar is Norbs.

And your bats are made by a dog. Unique selling point I'll admit. :)

Yes, that's it.

Jon you are very confused :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 10:09:28 PM
What's the best bat you've used (excluding your own)?  And which batmakers out there do you respect the most?

A few, love J Millichamp,T Keeley,J Laver and Gary Day------ best of best though John Newbery sadly passed away
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 10:10:40 PM
If you are not making a custom bat i.e just a stock bat how do you know its finished? Do you have a set of parameters to work to before you start on cleft e.g. 2.10lbs, low middle etc or is it an evolutionary process where you let the willow decide?

I don't make bats if I dont have to but normally on the majority of the clefts 2lb 10-12oz look the Oscar b*ll*cks :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: roco on November 10, 2010, 10:12:19 PM
What are the specs of your match bat
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: jonpinson on November 10, 2010, 10:13:02 PM
A few, love J Millichamp,T Keeley,J Laver and Gary Day------ best of best though John Newbery sadly passed away

Again with the ignorance, but who is Gary Day?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Howzat on November 10, 2010, 10:14:30 PM
Redback
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Washington on November 10, 2010, 10:21:24 PM
If you had the choice of a tool for concaving what would it be? I have the choice of buying a travisher number 4 or clifton spokeshave?
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: 19reading87 on November 10, 2010, 11:04:16 PM
Do you have any jobs going?!?!!!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: oldfudger on November 10, 2010, 11:29:02 PM
Whats the bast way to keep toe of bat dry when used on damp/wet pitches
A problem in sunny Wales
 :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:41:50 PM
What are the specs of your match bat

I'm not the best player in the world but I used 2 bats an SS jumbo and a SAF fabrica with 2 scoops taken out of like a the Dynadrive both weigh in at around 2lb 9-10oz
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:43:26 PM
Redback

Oh I see Leo is answering my questions..... Yep one of best best bat makers to come out of Devon and the UK in the last 2 years....
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
If you had the choice of a tool for concaving what would it be? I have the choice of buying a travisher number 4 or clifton spokeshave?

If I'm honest concaving doesn't do anything but pander to the current fashions. Does it has a place in the bat industry? Yes it does does it make a difference nope
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: tim2000s on November 10, 2010, 11:47:53 PM
If I'm honest concaving doesn't do anything but pander to the current fashions. Does it has a place in the bat industry? Yes it does does it make a difference nope
So glad to see someone who knows confirming my suspicions. Never really understood why everything suddenly became concave.
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
Whats the bast way to keep toe of bat dry when used on damp/wet pitches
A problem in sunny Wales
 :D

Toe guards will fall off so ummmm dont tap the bat on the ground..... :D [Todd email me for an answer]
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:49:30 PM
Do you have any jobs going?!?!!!

At the moment nope but maybe soon :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Washington on November 10, 2010, 11:49:49 PM
But if you a had a 3lb bat in the traditional shape or an SS jumbo shape would concaving not be able to reduce the weight of the bat without comprising its integrity/structure and performance or am I barking up the wrong tree? Like Oscar :)
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:50:35 PM
So glad to see someone who knows confirming my suspicions. Never really understood why everything suddenly became concave.

When I make yours I'll add some concaving in ;)
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: tim2000s on November 10, 2010, 11:53:59 PM
 :o
When I make yours I'll add some concaving in ;)
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:54:03 PM
But if you a had a 3lb bat in the traditional shape or an SS jumbo shape would concaving not be able to reduce the weight of the bat without comprising its integrity/structure and performance or am I barking up the wrong tree? Like Oscar :)

It is all about feel the SS jumbo wont feel as good as a traditional bat but that is based on shape.  So the tradtional will win in my eyes....

Why do I like the SS Jumbo - that is easy I'm a child of that era and that was the bat I wanted.... Is it any good?   In fact do I care Viv Richards used one for gods sake!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 10, 2010, 11:55:17 PM
:o

You are right to be scared :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: tim2000s on November 10, 2010, 11:57:21 PM
It is all about feel the SS jumbo wont feel as good as a traditional bat but that is based on shape.  So the tradtional will win in my eyes....

Why do I like the SS Jumbo - that is easy I'm a child of that era and that was the bat I wanted.... Is it any good?   In fact do I care Viv Richards used one for gods sake!!!!!!
Lol. That's why I like the Dynadrive! Always preferred the Turbo to the Jumbo ???
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: tim2000s on November 10, 2010, 11:58:45 PM
You are right to be scared :D
This is one bat I can't wait to get my hands on... 8)
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 11, 2010, 12:00:35 AM
Lol. That's why I like the Dynadrive! Always preferred the Turbo to the Jumbo ???

The 333 or the Jumbo the biggest question we had to answer in those day :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: tim2000s on November 11, 2010, 12:04:13 AM
The 333 or the Jumbo the biggest question we had to answer in those day :D
Were you Viv or were you Goochie? That was your SS conundrum. Personally I was a bowler so a big bat and a slog and therefore the 'drive
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 11, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Were you Viv or were you Goochie? That was your SS conundrum. Personally I was a bowler so a big bat and a slog and therefore the 'drive

Viv, and I still am when someone crap is bowling, actually make very crap :D
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: SAF Bats on November 11, 2010, 12:21:42 AM
Lets lock this thread now and we'll start a Q&A again soon
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Buzz on November 11, 2010, 07:18:59 AM
I can't believe I go out on the smash and miss this epic thread. Never mind. It's all about being like Viv.
Andy, we need to have a chat!
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Buzz on November 22, 2010, 09:18:37 PM
Back by popular demand........... ask the batmaker... questions please (I wont be answering them ;) )
Title: Re: Ask the Batmaker?
Post by: Washington on November 22, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
Andy, do you have a specific tool you shape shoulders with? Having difficulty keeping them even and wondered if you had any tips?

Dan