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Title: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Any questions?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Simmy on January 31, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
whats your fav bat profile out of all the companys
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: peplow on January 31, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
Strange one here...

If i went to a shop and saw two different bats i liked, priced differently, felt the same in hands etc, looked similar willow wise, is there anyway to know which will play better and whether the more expensive one is worth it? What would you do in this situation???

As i said may be a crap question but i am interested to know as i often find a couple of bats and wonder which is best for money!!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: jonpinson on January 31, 2011, 07:19:06 PM
Has the special stuff arrived yet?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: alexrickyponting on January 31, 2011, 07:20:09 PM
can i have a free bat? ;)
in seriousness, what are your most and least favorite aspects of your job? and which is your favorite SAF profile?
plus whats "the special stuff"?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: roco on January 31, 2011, 07:20:42 PM
Prob been asked before but your opinions on heartwoods effect on performance and durability?

Plus as mr millichamp says 7-9 grains gives you performance and durability what is your view?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Richie on January 31, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
As we know, reducing moisture content reduces lifespan, but:
Does reducing moisture content, whether it be naturally or artificially, reduce ping?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: mdl_1979 on January 31, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
When you have a solid batmaking session, how fast can you turn a cleft into a bat?  And do you part-finish a load, and then finish them all together, or take a cleft through to being a finished bat each time?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: keysersolze on January 31, 2011, 07:26:03 PM
When you press the bat/cleft is it handled or not? Do you press the bow into the blade when its part shaped or not?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: tim2000s on January 31, 2011, 07:26:25 PM
Since it was asked recently, what effect does the modern concaved shape with big edges have on performance when compared with the traditional Mjolnir like shape and which shape would suit most amateurs better?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: tim2000s on January 31, 2011, 07:29:23 PM
Have you considered a different latin name for totally custom bats, such as: Desideratus ?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Kulli on January 31, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
Why aren't you answering the questions fast enough?  ;)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Colesy on January 31, 2011, 07:33:02 PM
On a laminate could you make the bat the same size and the 'normal' version of that bat by taking the existing face off and putting glue in between to enhance what looks like a normal bat?

I can rephrase that if it doesn't make sense :L
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SkipperJ on January 31, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
How do you recommend bat edges be knocked in?

- Round off with wooden mallet?
- Press edges with a round surface (an old stump, edge of bath tub etc.)
- Something else?

I used to just mallet in the edges, but according to Mr.Millichamp that's not a good idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBxiPJYvLw&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBxiPJYvLw&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 08:42:45 PM
whats your fav bat profile out of all the companys

SS Jumbo

Strange one here...

If i went to a shop and saw two different bats i liked, priced differently, felt the same in hands etc, looked similar willow wise, is there anyway to know which will play better and whether the more expensive one is worth it? What would you do in this situation???

As i said may be a crap question but i am interested to know as i often find a couple of bats and wonder which is best for money!!

How to pick out a good bat is subjective, it is something that you are comfortable with and happy to play with. If you feel it is good that is the only opinion that matter as you are buying it.

Has the special stuff arrived yet?

Nope I've been very busy and the upshot is I have an order going in soon... so maybe!!!


can i have a free bat? ;)
in seriousness, what are your most and least favorite aspects of your job? and which is your favorite SAF profile?
plus whats "the special stuff"?

Pressing and shaping that is where dreams are made  ;) .... Sanding  and sticking it in a box I hate it...

I like them all I do them because there mean something to me as they are worked out theoretically and then used practically.  If I had to choose a toss up between SAF Audax and SAF Fab, actually probably the SAF Fab as it is easier to shape and sand

"the special stuff" is Inaugural Willow
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: thedon on January 31, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
Is your new handle going into production? Do you offer this in your bats at present?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 31, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Some people say Asian bats are not as good as English bats, so why is that?

How much a bat should be pressed in order to have longest batlife and best performance (eg hard, soft, medium etc)? Any brands who follow this rule?

People say soft pressed bats don't last very long, so generally speaking how long is there life? For example, if you bat out 50 overs will the bat be finished towards end of your innings?

Lastly, how do you figure out which handle is of good quality and which one is of bad quality ?

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: jonpinson on January 31, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
Thankyou.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Prob been asked before but your opinions on heartwoods effect on performance and durability?

Plus as mr millichamp says 7-9 grains gives you performance and durability what is your view?

heartwood needs a bit more care, in my opinion is does make any difference and probably adds to performance

Grains!!!! yep maybe on average you'll fine they are the best one's but they all differ, it is hard to say for certain.

As we know, reducing moisture content reduces lifespan, but:
Does reducing moisture content, whether it be naturally or artificially, reduce ping?

This question has been banded about on here for a while now and I'll answer it in similar way as before.  As if I gave an answer either way you could ruin your bats!!! 

I would say the 99.9% of you don't have a moisture content reader and I'm sure none of you would stick the prongs into a finished bat.  If you did stick it into a bat what moisture content would you be looking and would that be even across the length and width of the blade...!  It isn't a question I'm going to answer sorry!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: essexarsenal on January 31, 2011, 08:54:59 PM
Are you going to sponsor any players this year ?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
When you have a solid batmaking session, how fast can you turn a cleft into a bat?  And do you part-finish a load, and then finish them all together, or take a cleft through to being a finished bat each time?

Not sure of timings - I press and handle one day and then shape another, then sand another.  If I get a bit bored/lost whislt pressing or shaping I stop and do something else and then go back to what I was doing.  I never just finish off a job because I started it, that is not why I make bats!  I make them because I enjoy it!

When you press the bat/cleft is it handled or not? Do you press the bow into the blade when its part shaped or not?

You could technically do it in all the scenarios you stated! ;)

Since it was asked recently, what effect does the modern concaved shape with big edges have on performance when compared with the traditional Mjolnir like shape and which shape would suit most amateurs better?

Performance nothing - the classic shape will give you a longer middle closer the centre line the big edge will be slightly shorter and more on the outer edge.  As an amateur I would just say don't go for anything to heavy we aren't playing baseball!

Why aren't you answering the questions fast enough?  ;)

I started now! :D
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: turnitayard on January 31, 2011, 09:07:20 PM
if you put a long handle into a short handle bat would performance go?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
On a laminate could you make the bat the same size and the 'normal' version of that bat by taking the existing face off and putting glue in between to enhance what looks like a normal bat?

I can rephrase that if it doesn't make sense :L


Yes please you have lost me   :o

How do you recommend bat edges be knocked in?

- Round off with wooden mallet?
- Press edges with a round surface (an old stump, edge of bath tub etc.)
- Something else?

I used to just mallet in the edges, but according to Mr.Millichamp that's not a good idea...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBxiPJYvLw&feature=player_embedded[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBxiPJYvLw&feature=player_embedded[/url])

 
mallet or round off on something like a sink or bath... Not sure JM has his style of knocking in for his bats. I'd knock them in because a ball hitting any edge can cause damage
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Canners on January 31, 2011, 09:12:39 PM
What makes inaugural willow..... Special??

Performance or looks?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: johan95 on January 31, 2011, 09:20:55 PM
I'd hazard a guess at both mate :)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:21:43 PM
Is your new handle going into production? Do you offer this in your bats at present?

Nope it doesn't look like it will be available just yet!  I haven't had a chance to get it sorted out

Some people say Asian bats are not as good as English bats, so why is that?

How much a bat should be pressed in order to have longest batlife and best performance (eg hard, soft, medium etc)? Any brands who follow this rule?

People say soft pressed bats don't last very long, so generally speaking how long is there life? For example, if you bat out 50 overs will the bat be finished towards end of your innings?

Lastly, how do you figure out which handle is of good quality and which one is of bad quality ?

Thanks mate!

A bit of leading question as I'm going to say English made is better the same way an Asian bat maker would say there's is better... Anyways a few items that happen other then willow mileage and willow storage conditions. Ebay is not the asian bats friend or a friend of friend who knows a friend thing and has a website... What happens  is that a lot of the domestic [cheap local Asian] product get sold over here as G1, the amount of counterfiets seem to be quite high and that diminishes the reputation
 
The how mush pressed is like a piece of string - I would just say not very soft or hard, even hard pressed bats will have problems
 
A soft press bat can last, in fact it annoys me all this soft press stuff[not having a go at you CD in general, it doesn't really show an understanding of why you are requesting a bat to be "soft" pressed. it is a misconception that a soft pressed bat will perform better.  The willow still needs to be pressed properly.  It is done properly and prep'd well it could last for a while
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Are you going to sponsor any players this year ?

I already have a few grass root and minor counties players and maybe something in pipeline for something else
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
if you put a long handle into a short handle bat would performance go?

I assume you mean replacing a short handle with a long handle, otherwise you are going slightly mad :D

anyways nope it shouldn't do
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:25:50 PM
What makes inaugural willow..... Special??

Performance or looks?

I'd hazard a guess at both mate :)

Yep both!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: johan95 on January 31, 2011, 09:27:40 PM
You mentioned you like making the Audax and the Fab...What do you not really like about making the Erus then, if it is anything major? :)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Colesy on January 31, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Yes please you have lost me   :o


Could you take an existing bat, cut the face off, then laminate it so it is the same bat, same size but can you improve the performance?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: yvk3103 on January 31, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
Andy, I was told by a guy (UK seller) who supplies bats to a few pros that a slightly soft pressed bat will perform better against a harder ball (like Kookaburra or Dukes) and a hard pressed bat against a slightly softer ball (like readers) and this is the reason why the bats of some of the pros are pressed slightly softer as compared with the standard shop bats.

Is this something to do with the transfer of energy from the bat to the ball by just creating enough time contact between the bat and the ball?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 31, 2011, 09:34:06 PM
A soft press bat can last, in fact it annoys me all this soft press stuff[not having a go at you CD in general, it doesn't really show an understanding of why you are requesting a bat to be "soft" pressed. it is a misconception that a soft pressed bat will perform better.  The willow still needs to be pressed properly.  It is done properly and prep'd well it could last for a while

Actually the reason why I asked is because a lot of sellers and in fact bat maker say that "hard pressed bats last longer than soft pressed bats".

Again when I spend 200+ Pounds I'd want a bat which will last longest and perform the best.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
Could you take an existing bat, cut the face off, then laminate it so it is the same bat, same size but can you improve the performance?

yes you can but my opinion is that is won't work
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: johan95 on January 31, 2011, 09:36:32 PM
yes you can but my opinion is that is won't work
Perhaps something to try in the future though ;)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
You mentioned you like making the Audax and the Fab...What do you not really like about making the Erus then, if it is anything major? :)

Nothing at all the Erus is my most popular one I do and because of slight concaved it is more work shaping and sanding.  The Audax I don't do many so it is great to do and SAF Fab I can almost do with just the drawknife!!!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Perhaps something to try in the future though ;)

I was trying to be nice, NOPE I wont be trying it
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: johan95 on January 31, 2011, 09:39:42 PM
OK. I suspected it was due to more work haha, but they are very impressive mate ;) :D Though I haven't got round to using mine in the nets yet, saving it for matches...
LOL, ok about the lam idea then!! :)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SkipperJ on January 31, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
What causes some bats to delaminate? (the hard surface layer separates from the rest of the wood in the middle. tapping it with fingers gives off a "hollow" sound)
What's the best way to fix it?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Perkins17 on January 31, 2011, 09:42:45 PM
how do you press a bat to get the most out of it ?
Do you press the bow in to a bat intentionality or does it come from the skill of the presser ?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:44:30 PM
Andy, I was told by a guy (UK seller) who supplies bats to a few pros that a slightly soft pressed bat will perform better against a harder ball (like Kookaburra or Dukes) and a hard pressed bat against a slightly softer ball (like readers) and this is the reason why the bats of some of the pros are pressed slightly softer as compared with the standard shop bats.

Is this something to do with the transfer of energy from the bat to the ball by just creating enough time contact between the bat and the ball?

Yash that is fine but in the context you are talking about I wouldn't hard press a bat or have it soft there is no reason to in my opinion
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:46:22 PM
Actually the reason why I asked is because a lot of sellers and in fact bat maker say that "hard pressed bats last longer than soft pressed bats".

Again when I spend 200+ Pounds I'd want a bat which will last longest and perform the best.

CD I can't talk for other bat makers, you get what you get with me it is up to them market and do what they want with there bats.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Kulli on January 31, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
Is there any truth in the oft quoted saying thata bat is in it's prime when it starts to get horizontal surface cracking, and if so whats the theory behind this?

Tusen takk
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: yvk3103 on January 31, 2011, 09:50:59 PM

Yash that is fine but in the context you are talking about I wouldn't hard press a bat or have it soft there is no reason to in my opinion

 agree a bat needs to be pressed right depending on the willow characteristics. However, I asked you this question as I was not sure if the info shared by the guy had any merit. If yes, then most bats made for pros would not perform to their potential on club cricket level (as majority/most clubs use the readers balls) and it will need more time to knock them in to get the peak performance.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: tim2000s on January 31, 2011, 09:53:50 PM
Do people in the forum overthink bat technicalities and should they leave it to the batmakers?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
What causes some bats to delaminate? (the hard surface layer separates from the rest of the wood in the middle. tapping it with fingers gives off a "hollow" sound)
What's the best way to fix it?

SkipperJ, great question... when you press a cleft you are effectively compressing the willow fibres and therefore squeezing the sap which acts like glue overtime delamination occurs at that hardlevel like you said.  Depending on the depth of the delamination it is/was a sign of a good performing bat!

Lift and glue - or glue the cracks
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: yvk3103 on January 31, 2011, 10:00:13 PM
Why is there a difference in color of the willow between brands?

Eg: A Bradbury S Players (their top of the range bat) or DF bats have a slightly darker color willow than a Top of the range Kook, Puma, SS etc?

Also sometimes on a Newbery SPS the grains are not highly visible when compared to a Puma 6000 or a Kook or other brand. Why is this so?

Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:03:46 PM
how do you press a bat to get the most out of it ?
Do you press the bow in to a bat intentionality or does it come from the skill of the presser ?

simple answer would be to say pressing changes to suit the cleft/s

might sound like a silly answer but yes if a press is used to get the bow it is intentional.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 31, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
agree a bat needs to be pressed right depending on the willow characteristics. However, I asked you this question as I was not sure if the info shared by the guy had any merit. If yes, then most bats made for pros would not perform to their potential on club cricket level (as majority/most clubs use the readers balls) and it will need more time to knock them in to get the peak performance.

Sorry to bother you SAF but last question regarding pressing that does every willow needs to be pressed differently? If so then why is that? Is it because of numbers of grains?

Thanks
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 31, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
Since heartwood is middle of the tree people say that it will snap and performance of the heartwood is limited, why and how does that happens?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SillyShilly on January 31, 2011, 10:11:02 PM
Whats a butterfly stain :D

Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:13:20 PM
Is there any truth in the oft quoted saying thata bat is in it's prime when it starts to get horizontal surface cracking, and if so whats the theory behind this?

Tusen takk
Think I answered that one in Skippers reply

agree a bat needs to be pressed right depending on the willow characteristics. However, I asked you this question as I was not sure if the info shared by the guy had any merit. If yes, then most bats made for pros would not perform to their potential on club cricket level (as majority/most clubs use the readers balls) and it will need more time to knock them in to get the peak performance.

Yash sorry mate but I just make sure mine meet my preception for a G1 / G2 etc regardless of who they are!

Do people in the forum overthink bat technicalities and should they leave it to the batmakers?

Nope I don't think so, I think people are overly hung up on looks, dead weights, also hitting the ball out of the park and forget that is only a small percentage of there game.  A bat that looks great doesn't help me in the slightest when I'm batting :D :D  A bat that feels and I'm happy it has performance for my non-existent bat style does give me more confidence.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: jamferg on January 31, 2011, 10:14:41 PM
Not sure of timings - I press and handle one day and then shape another, then sand another.  If I get a bit bored/lost whislt pressing or shaping I stop and do something else and then go back to what I was doing.  I never just finish off a job because I started it, that is not why I make bats!  I make them because I enjoy it!

It seems that a

You could technically do it in all the scenarios you stated! ;)

Performance nothing - the classic shape will give you a longer middle closer the centre line the big edge will be slightly shorter and more on the outer edge.  As an amateur I would just say don't go for anything to heavy we aren't playing baseball!

I started now! :D
Not sure of timings - I press and handle one day and then shape another, then sand another.  If I get a bit bored/lost whislt pressing or shaping I stop and do something else and then go back to what I was doing.  I never just finish off a job because I started it, that is not why I make bats!  I make them because I enjoy it!

You could technically do it in all the scenarios you stated! ;)

Performance nothing - the classic shape will give you a longer middle closer the centre line the big edge will be slightly shorter and more on the outer edge.  As an amateur I would just say don't go for anything to heavy we aren't playing baseball!

I started now! :D

It seems that Amateur players should use a light bat and pros tend to use them...heavy bats for neanderthals only?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
Why is there a difference in color of the willow between brands?

Eg: A Bradbury S Players (their top of the range bat) or DF bats have a slightly darker color willow than a Top of the range Kook, Puma, SS etc?

Also sometimes on a Newbery SPS the grains are not highly visible when compared to a Puma 6000 or a Kook or other brand. Why is this so?



Got no idea mate, I'm more of bat whore for old bats and they look like they have varnish on :D  Grains that standout I like as I think they perform better [maybe that's just me though :D ]   I'm not saying this happens but  bleaching may occur
 
 
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Sorry to bother you SAF but last question regarding pressing that does every willow needs to be pressed differently? If so then why is that? Is it because of numbers of grains?

Thanks

It is based on a number of factors, weight, grains, moisture blah blah blah
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:22:09 PM
Since heartwood is middle of the tree people say that it will snap and performance of the heartwood is limited, why and how does that happens?

Because it has no sap in it
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:25:39 PM
Whats a butterfly stain :D



It is occurs when someone walking through a willow plantation squashes a butterfly against a space in the bark of a willow tree and remains there as the bark grows around it.  A moth stain can also occur but this is very, very rare as people don't tend to walk through willow plantations at night.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on January 31, 2011, 10:31:42 PM
It seems that Amateur players should use a light bat and pros tend to use them...heavy bats for neanderthals only?

i think I wrote that down wrong, not really what I was saying. I think most people starting out in this game swing a bat around the shop and envisage hitting fours and sixes so they get something meaty!  Maybe that is a better explanation
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: 100 not out on February 01, 2011, 12:00:47 AM
Why do bats improve with usage?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: generalcustard on February 01, 2011, 02:00:51 AM
Hi,
You said that the factors affecting how you press a bat are moisture, weight, grains etc. Is that to say that the moisture content in a cleft, is not the only factor that influences the weight but the density of the willow itself?? pressing seems like the most closely kept secret among bat makers so did you learn through trial and error or did some very helpfull experienced bat makers give you a helping hand??

Cheers, (love the bats and the threads)
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: THERUBIN on February 01, 2011, 06:19:24 AM
Is there any truth in the oft quoted saying thata bat is in it's prime when it starts to get horizontal surface cracking, and if so whats the theory behind this?

Tusen takk

Tusen takk? where are you from ?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Alvaro on February 01, 2011, 08:17:37 AM
norway
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: awp on February 01, 2011, 08:48:23 AM
SS Jumbo

A man with taste! best bat I ever had 'back in the day' was a Jumbo Executive, 2.6 1/2, 9 perfect through grains, what a bat, made quite a few tons with it when I was 16. I remember it was $100 more than the next expensive bat in the shop back in '89.....there was only 1, I had to have it.

Out of interest Andy, would you do a 'modern Jumbo' and if so, what mods would you make to bring it up to speed? Thicker contoured edges with some scalloping? or would that be sacrilegious?  most interested in your thoughts!

PS - how would you describe the middle position of the jumbo?  (curious because this is one of 2 profiles I loved)

Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: tim2000s on February 01, 2011, 08:58:42 AM
A man with taste! best bat I ever had 'back in the day' was a Jumbo Executive, 2.6 1/2, 9 perfect through grains, what a bat, made quite a few tons with it when I was 16. I remember it was $100 more than the next expensive bat in the shop back in '89.....there was only 1, I had to have it.

Out of interest Andy, would you do a 'modern Jumbo' and if so, what mods would you make to bring it up to speed? Thicker contoured edges with some scalloping? or would that be sacrilegious?  most interested in your thoughts!
PS - how would you describe the middle position of the jumbo?  (curious because this is one of 2 profiles I loved)
Surely the only way to describe the middle on the jumbo was all the way down!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: awp on February 01, 2011, 09:17:51 AM
That's a good description! Was super for driving on the up as required in Perth.
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:23:19 AM
Why do bats improve with usage?

 
When a bat is pressed it creates a stiff surface layer on the face of the bat. Basically over time or knocking in this surface stifness can double.So what has happened, the core of the bat is left unhardened resulting in a more elastic response of the bat but because the surface is stiffer less enery will be absorbed by the bat and so therefore it will be transfered to the ball
 
Hi,
You said that the factors affecting how you press a bat are moisture, weight, grains etc. Is that to say that the moisture content in a cleft, is not the only factor that influences the weight but the density of the willow itself?? pressing seems like the most closely kept secret among bat makers so did you learn through trial and error or did some very helpfull experienced bat makers give you a helping hand??

Cheers, (love the bats and the threads)

moisture content / sapwood is the major contributor to weight...
 
I worked out what I wanted to do technically and then transposed that to a practical solution.  It was trail and error on cheap clefts!!!  :o   
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:27:33 AM
A man with taste! best bat I ever had 'back in the day' was a Jumbo Executive, 2.6 1/2, 9 perfect through grains, what a bat, made quite a few tons with it when I was 16. I remember it was $100 more than the next expensive bat in the shop back in '89.....there was only 1, I had to have it.

Out of interest Andy, would you do a 'modern Jumbo' and if so, what mods would you make to bring it up to speed? Thicker contoured edges with some scalloping? or would that be sacrilegious?  most interested in your thoughts!

PS - how would you describe the middle position of the jumbo?  (curious because this is one of 2 profiles I loved)


I wouldn't change it, it is to iconic

middle is just long even on a lightweight bat
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:28:23 AM
Gents if you are all done we can call it a day for this Ask the Bat Maker thread!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: tim2000s on February 01, 2011, 10:29:10 AM
I wouldn't change it, it is to iconic

middle is just long even on a lightweight bat
230 from SS direct for the Jumbo Retro!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:30:04 AM
230 from SS direct for the Jumbo Retro!

They don't seem as good, maybe it is the rose tinted specs from the past that has tainted my view though :(
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: Perkins17 on February 01, 2011, 10:30:04 AM
Just a couple more please :)
what bat do you use ?
and what is the best bat you have owned ?
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
Just a couple more please :)
what bat do you use ?
and what is the best bat you have owned ?

ummm a SAF and a SAF what else could I say!
Title: Re: 1st 2011 Ask the Bat maker session!!!!
Post by: SAF Bats on February 01, 2011, 10:59:36 AM
I think that's it now for this thread!