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Title: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Rob580 on January 03, 2018, 05:11:14 PM
With the IPL fast approaching, the franchises are announcing their retained players tomorrow, and the list doing the rounds at the moment of retained players is:

Mumbai Indians: Rohit Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Krunal Pandya

Chennai Super Kings: MS Dhoni, Suresh Raina, Ravindra Jadeja (Dwayne Bravo, if fit, may be reserved for the Right to Match list)

Kolkata Knight Riders: Chris Lynn, Sunil Narine

Sunrisers Hyderabad: David Warner, Deepak Hooda

Royal Challengers Bangalore: Virat Kohli, Yuzvendra Chahal, AB de Villiers

Delhi Daredevils: Rishabh Pant, Shreyas Iyer

Rajasthan Royals: Steve Smith

Kings XI Punjab: There is a high possibility that Punjab might not retain any of their players


I'm guessing Rajasthan (effectively Rising Pune Supergiant) aren't retaining Ben Stokes because of the CPS case, but I'd definitely pick up a cheap Overseas who can become 'injured' should he not be sent to Pentonville.....

Also, I'd be surprised if RCB don't retain Gayle, given he's one of the most marketable players at the moment, as well as the best ever T20 batsman.

Rashid Khan will be retained, jut too risky if he goes back into the auction and they use their right to match card for god knows how much!

Thoughts? Who else do you think will be retained, and who will go for big bucks? I'm thinking Munro will be bought for a decent amount, but not mega bucks (not marketable enough), AJ Tye will be bought for a decent wedge andi've a sneaking suspicion Jos Buttler might well go for some serious money. Not a massive number of Indian Wicketkeepers (who are any good), if he keeps striking them clean in the BBL, could be a few pennies for young Joseph...
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 03, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
Afghanistan have a lot of cricket in the build up to their maiden Test match, maybe Rashid and Nabi won't be available for the entire duration.

I thought CSK and Rajasthan could only retain players from prior to their bans, so RR Can't retain Stokes.

Good to see Malinga and Harbhajan losing their free meal tickets, they've been regressing for a while.

Jos Buttler is essentially only being as a specialist batsman, the times he kept to the spinners he was dreadful. Mumbai may well right to buy Jos and Pollard.

Big dog Andre Russell should go for big cash as well as Mitchell Starc.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 03, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Also i knew RCB would retain de Villiers after he said he'll only play for them...Serious bromance for Virat and AB...
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: cricketbadger03 on January 03, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Good stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing each team's tactics with regards to retaining vs Right To Match (RTM).

Think you've got more or less everything there. I think Bhuvi, Bumrah and Kuldeep will be retained by SRH, MI and KKR respectively as opposed to RTM. Do we expect Delhi to retain QdK as well?

Looking forward to seeing what happens with loyal IPL stalwarts such as Pollard, Ashwin and Gayle given the other players that each of their respective teams could retain instead of them.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: cricketbadger on January 03, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
What about the new kid on the block Jofra? Is he available for the auction, think there could be a few in for him nice little pay packet?

Agree with what's been said about Malinga and Harbajan, brilliant on their day but that day comes around a lot less often than it used to.

Stokes could potentially be a bargain buy at a cut price even of its just for a few games 
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: iand123 on January 03, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
How can CSK retain players when they havenít been in the last two editions?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Rob580 on January 03, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
They were temporarily suspended and replaced with Gujarat.

They are allowed to retain the players from Gujarat, as they are replacing them (I think)

I might be miles off and am open to being shouted down if necessary!  :D
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 03, 2018, 09:47:46 PM
How can CSK retain players when they havenít been in the last two editions?

Because the big old boss of the bcci runs the match fixing show
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 03, 2018, 10:48:49 PM
Does anybody outside of india still watch the IPL? Felt to me as though it has just Turned into one corrupt money laundering event and spoiled my view of it.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Boondougal on January 04, 2018, 10:25:24 AM
Does anybody outside of india still watch the IPL? Felt to me as though it has just Turned into one corrupt money laundering event and spoiled my view of it.

Yeah.. I just think its a good show. I really would like to go to some of the bigger games at the end of the tournament... I think the atmosphere would be brilliant.

Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: iand123 on January 04, 2018, 01:34:53 PM
Confirmed list

Bangalore: Kohli, AB, Sarfaraz

Chennai: Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja

Mumbai: Rohit, Bumrah, Hardik

Delhi: Morris, Pant, Iyer

Kolkata: Narine, Russell

Hyderabad: Warner, Bhuvneshwar

Rajasthan: Steven Smith

Punjab: Axar
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 04, 2018, 02:28:28 PM
Ricky Ponting new head coach for Delhi
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: mo_town on January 04, 2018, 02:37:16 PM
Confirmed list

Bangalore: Kohli, AB, Sarfaraz

Chennai: Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja

Mumbai: Rohit, Bumrah, Hardik

Delhi: Morris, Pant, Iyer

Kolkata: Narine, Russell

Hyderabad: Warner, Bhuvneshwar

Rajasthan: Steven Smith

Punjab: Axar

Some of the picks are a joke! Andre Russell hasnt played competitive cricket for an year. Do they really expect him to come back and perform well? Sarfaraz Khan...RCB didnt bother playing him earlier and now have retained him. Did they expect others to go crazy about someone who hasnt really set the world on fire? Axar Patel retained by KXIP!! ... :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 04, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Sarfaraz Khan had an ACL injury...he couldn't have played even if he wanted to
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 04, 2018, 02:46:50 PM
Nice wedge for Virat, just the small sum of $2.68m and $1.7m for AB.

Narine $1.3m and $1.1m for Russell...no wonder they Can't be bothered to play for West Indies

Rishabh Pant $1.1m for the teen ager...when I was 19 i was getting hammered at university...
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: mo_town on January 04, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
Sarfaraz Khan had an ACL injury...he couldn't have played even if he wanted to

The point is ... did they need to retain him?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Rob580 on January 04, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
He's potentially the next superstar of Indian Cricket, so probably worth retaining him given his potential.

They'll be hoping he becomes synonymous with RCB in the same vein that Rohit is for Mumbai, Kohli with RCB, and Raina & Dhoni for CSK.

Same thinking is behind Rishabh Pant & Shreyas Iyer being retained, albeit they have cost considerably more, given they are already capped.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: sgcricket on January 05, 2018, 02:07:47 AM
My thoughts on the retentions:
Mumbai and Hyderabad got it spot on.
Did Bangalore mix up between Chahal and Sarfaraz?
Kolkata could have retained Lynn as well. Narine and Russell are good options. They will use the Right to match for their Indian players.
Delhi - Not sure about Pant but Shreyas and Morris are good options.
Chennai - Dhoni is more of a sentimental pick but Raina might have a point to prove.
Rajasthan - Smith might be burned out by the time IPL starts with the year he has had.
Punjab - Axar is a good player but don't think he would have gone for that money in the bidding. Best to have started from a clean slate.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Biggie Smalls on January 05, 2018, 06:54:08 AM
Does anybody outside of india still watch the IPL? Felt to me as though it has just Turned into one corrupt money laundering event and spoiled my view of it.


Nope. Australian tv channels wont go near it either.
A lot of hype .
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 05, 2018, 06:22:42 PM

Nope. Australian tv channels wont go near it either.
A lot of hype .

Club of 89 members and out of interest part of our yearly survey we asked who followed the IPL. One person said yes... says it all really
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 13, 2018, 07:05:48 AM
Root has entered....

http://www.iplt20.com/news/113887/over-1000-players-sign-up-vivo-ipl-player-auction-2018 (http://www.iplt20.com/news/113887/over-1000-players-sign-up-vivo-ipl-player-auction-2018)
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 13, 2018, 04:53:09 PM
Few players who have over hiked their asking prices:

$315k - Mitch Johnson, White, Morgan, Wiley
$235k - harry gurney, jason roy, Bopara, Ali, Finn, Lyon

Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: cricketbadger03 on January 14, 2018, 12:09:23 AM
I had to check my eyes about 3-4 times when I saw Harry Gurney's name in the Cricinfo article last night.

What does everything think will happen with Root? I'd like to see him get some experience out there, but he hasn't got much of a T20 record to fall back on, but it's still Joe Root. Several better T20 players will be available for less.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 14, 2018, 10:00:20 AM
I had to check my eyes about 3-4 times when I saw Harry Gurney's name in the Cricinfo article last night.

What does everything think will happen with Root? I'd like to see him get some experience out there, but he hasn't got much of a T20 record to fall back on, but it's still Joe Root. Several better T20 players will be available for less.

Not much of a T20 record to fall back on??

He averages 40 in international T20ís at a strike rate of over 125.....
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on January 14, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
Few players who have over hiked their asking prices:

$315k - Mitch Johnson, White, Morgan, Wiley
$235k - harry gurney, jason roy, Bopara, Ali, Finn, Lyon

Jason Roy looks like good value for money seeing what he has done today and his white ball record over all espically in amongst those other names
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Ams4287 on January 14, 2018, 01:12:43 PM
Jason Roy looks like good value for money seeing what he has done today and his white ball record over all espically in amongst those other names

He'll probably get picked and sit in the dugout until he gets a game batting at 6 again.

Hope him and hales get a fair crack of the whip to show what they can do. Better value than some of the overseas who were picked up and played most of the games last season
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 14, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
If youíre a poor player of spin you ainít getting much of a look in. Neither Roy or Hales are capable against proper high class spin. Going further even Guptill struggled to get many games due to the same weakness
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 14, 2018, 01:55:17 PM
Does anyone know if Archer or Short have entered the auction and if so what price?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: smilley792 on January 14, 2018, 02:40:51 PM
Not much of a T20 record to fall back on??

He averages 40 in international T20ís at a strike rate of over 125.....

Hes also ranked number 9 in the world at t20.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: fros23 on January 14, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Not much of a T20 record to fall back on??

He averages 40 in international T20ís at a strike rate of over 125.....

Think it's more the number of T20s that Root actually plays in.  He's the same age as Williamson and a year younger than Smith, yet Williamson has played over twice as many T20s as Root and Smith has played nearly 3 times as many.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 14, 2018, 03:19:00 PM
Think it's more the number of T20s that Root actually plays in.  He's the same age as Williamson and a year younger than Smith, yet Williamson has played over twice as many T20s as Root and Smith has played nearly 3 times as many.

Root has got everything going for him. Overseas players in the IPL are also about how marketable they are. And Roots the England Captain. He has a good T20 average and importantly is a great player of spin. Unlike Roy and Hales who have missed out before due to this reason. The other thing in Roots favour is he has started his price at 1.5 crore below a lot of others.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: cricketbadger03 on January 14, 2018, 04:14:10 PM
Think it's more the number of T20s that Root actually plays in.  He's the same age as Williamson and a year younger than Smith, yet Williamson has played over twice as many T20s as Root and Smith has played nearly 3 times as many.

This was the point I was trying to get across. What will help him though is that almost 40% of his (only) 25 T20I's were played in India.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 20, 2018, 07:28:30 PM
Full IPL 2018 Auction Players List is out - some interesting names and base prices in there.

http://www.financialexpress.com/sports/ipl/ipl-auction-2018-players-list-out-ravichandran-ashwin-ben-stokes-priced-at-rs-2-crore-check-all-names/1023303/ (http://www.financialexpress.com/sports/ipl/ipl-auction-2018-players-list-out-ravichandran-ashwin-ben-stokes-priced-at-rs-2-crore-check-all-names/1023303/)

Archer and Short are in there and are very low priced indeed considering BBL form.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 20, 2018, 10:06:50 PM
Archer will get 400k+ - will be interesting to see what he decides to do. Qualify and play for England or go around the world playing t20 cricket. Heís West Indian so I assume heíd go for the money
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: NT50 on January 20, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
If Tymal Mills was worth £1.4million then i dread to think how much Archer is genuinely worth!
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 21, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Interesting exercise, out of the marquee players who would be your top 3 picks.
Ben Stokes, Mitchell Starc, Chris Gayle, Kieron Pollard, Yuvraj Singh, R Ashwin, Gautam Gambhir, Shikhar Dhawan, Glenn Maxwell, Ajinkya Rahane, Harbhajan Singh, Joe Root, Shakib Al Hasan, Faf du Plessis, Dwayne Bravo and Kane Williamson.

My top 3:
1. D. Bravo
2. M. Starc
3. B. Stokes

Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Nmcgee on January 21, 2018, 11:27:40 PM
Fawad Ahmed and Alex Carey are cheap too. Henriques asking top dollar for some reason.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 22, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
I think it's going to be a really interesting auction.

With CSK and RR back and there are lots of interesting RTM's floating around for the teams to possibly use.

Some random pricing and some very good unknowns coming through has meant bargins out there. Eg. Munro is only 50 lakhs

Add to that for the 1st time they are mixing in the uncapped players on the 1st day so the teams are going to know alot better where there squad is at early doors.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 22, 2018, 08:58:46 AM
I'm still not sure how I feel about these T20 leagues but I hope Root and the English lads get picked up, I think it did Stokes's game the world of good going last year.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: iand123 on January 22, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
It is the players who set their base price isnt it?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 22, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
It is the players who set their base price isnt it?

Yep it is the players who set it. The choose a price out of the following levels - min 50 lakh, 75, 1 core, 1.5, max 2 core.

Then the player is put into a category of either marquee, batsman, allrounder, wk, spinner or fast bowler.

Then they are either capped or uncapped and also overseas.

Everyone goes into the auction in blocks of 8-10 in their respective categories no matter what base price they are.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Rob580 on January 22, 2018, 04:01:52 PM
I'm surprised more don't set their base price low.

50 lakh (the minimum base price for an overseas) is £56k. I'd settle for that for 6 weeks work, which would likely involve rubbing shoulders with the great and the good, having nets, mixing drinks and warming the bench!
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Manormanic on January 22, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
Not sure their counties would be so impressed.  As a Yorkshire fan, I think having five players potentially away for half the first class season give or take is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: ppccopener on January 22, 2018, 07:55:30 PM
I'm still not sure how I feel about these T20 leagues but I hope Root and the English lads get picked up, I think it did Stokes's game the world of good going last year.

Absolutely , the ECB seems to have a different attitude  to the IPL now rather than the problems with KP over it..actually you could say Pieterson paved the way a bit to let players play in it

Root it's announced as predicted he is resting some of the NZ tour, the T20 games
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Bwcc on January 22, 2018, 07:58:31 PM
Itís hardly resting a player missing a couple of t20ís is it?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: ppccopener on January 22, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
Itís hardly resting a player missing a couple of t20ís is it?

I think they have to take it when they can, with the one day World Cup held in the uk next year you would guess no one wants to miss a 50 over match at the moment....

Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: fros23 on January 22, 2018, 09:09:10 PM
I'm surprised more don't set their base price low.

50 lakh (the minimum base price for an overseas) is £56k. I'd settle for that for 6 weeks work, which would likely involve rubbing shoulders with the great and the good, having nets, mixing drinks and warming the bench!

Providing it hasn't changed they don't get to keep the full amount as they have to compensate their county.  I remember a few years ago Rikki Clarke got ridiculed because of his high base price but he said he had to set it that high as otherwise he would be losing money from it.

Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on January 27, 2018, 06:51:57 AM
What a crazy auction...Stokes , gets the big bucks and no takers for root :)
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 27, 2018, 07:45:04 AM
What a crazy auction...Stokes , gets the big bucks and no takers for root :)

Someone will buy him in the 2nd round.

Bravo went cheap. Few players facing massive drops in salary - gambhir, h singh, yuvraj, pollard

Gayle unsold too
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Nmcgee on January 27, 2018, 08:06:50 AM
Let me get this straight.....Kane Wlliamson is worth 580k but Stoinis (17 runs in 5 games last year) is 1.2 million?

Special mention for David Miller (who scored a scorching 80 runs in 5 games last year) who gets 580k!

And Pandey, who averages 27 with the bat, gets 2 million.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Nmcgee on January 27, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
Someone will buy him in the 2nd round.

Bravo went cheap. Few players facing massive drops in salary - gambhir, h singh, yuvraj, pollard

Gayle unsold too

Personally, I think Bravo and Pollard have been really poor in the BBL in recent times. I cant believe theyve been taken for over a million each.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on January 27, 2018, 09:44:28 AM
Personally, I think Bravo and Pollard have been really poor in the BBL in recent times. I cant believe theyve been taken for over a million each.

Well they do have a big following in India, with the jersey sales and brand recognition the value adds up.
Bravo has been exceptional with CSK though in IPL, same pollard with Mumbai so overlooking the bad BBL. Interesting to see what Darcy Short goes for...
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 27, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Bravo's been good in other t20 competitions around the world.
The prices for some of the indian keepers is crazy - karthik again 1m+


Rashid becomes a IPL millionaire! surprised more teams dont bid up others especially with these right to match cards. Seems teams are scared to go against CSK and do that
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Nmcgee on January 27, 2018, 10:13:52 AM
Anyone else think that Chris Lynn at nearly 2 million is kinda risky for a guy thats only been fit enough to play 4 games since last May? Does he still get paid if injured?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: horseman on January 27, 2018, 10:18:24 AM
Woakes 820k, not too bad for a bloke with a habit of taking easy wickets and playing for his average.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: ppccopener on January 27, 2018, 10:29:24 AM
Woakes 820k, not too bad for a bloke with a habit of taking easy wickets and playing for his average.

Yes very good but Root did not get picked. You can understand why Root wants to go in the auction but is he likely not to get sold at all?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 27, 2018, 10:41:25 AM
It's really interesting watching who bids on who - the auctions on Sky Channel 809. There is some serious cricketers in that room - Ponting, Kallis, Fleming, Vettori, Sehwag etc...

There is a lot of tactical bidding which can drive up random players prices and also various types of players can be worth inflated prices e.g.. Indian keepers. This due to no one wants to use an overseas in that position so they become a very sort after player.

Also recent form and IPL history can make a player e.g. Bravo and Pollard because the owners have happy memories of them. And recent eye catching form obviously helps.

I think Root didn't get sold because he was up early doors and all the teams wanted to wait and see what happens etc... he has a good chance of being brought back.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Sonic on January 27, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
as an Indian I would love to see Root Playing in IPL. He would go kilometers if got captured by right team
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 27, 2018, 01:20:53 PM
Root would fit into the kings XI team well and actually get a gig
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 27, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Archer gets rewarded for his BBL. 1m too
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: six and out on January 27, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Archer gets rewarded for his BBL. 1m too

Picked up by Rajastan, who also interestingly paid loads for Short virtually straight afterwards. When probably both won't play which is a shame - they already have Smith, Stokes and Butler as definite overseas.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 28, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
No ipl gig for root, hales or Morgan
Surprised no one bought Ingram given his form
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: coolcucumber_1 on January 28, 2018, 10:57:32 AM
No ipl gig for root, hales or Morgan
Surprised no one bought Ingram given his form

Munro is in the Delhi squad .
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: golders on January 28, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
Is there any chance,even a smidgen,that we could rush Archer through qualification?He could be the answer to our prayers!
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 28, 2018, 01:25:16 PM
Is there any chance,even a smidgen,that we could rush Archer through qualification?He could be the answer to our prayers!

He's still west indian - 2 years of earning big money playing t20 cricket. Do you actually think he'd play test match cricket?? I highly doubt it.
I see him following the route of the other west indian players and playing only the shorter formats to avoid injury. I only see him playing white ball cricket for england
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: bk on January 28, 2018, 04:05:59 PM
Is there any chance,even a smidgen,that we could rush Archer through qualification?He could be the answer to our prayers!
If Archer gets a PSL gig then he's going to have to make an early decision. IPL, BBL, PSL, BPL, CPL and he somehow has to spend 210 days in the UK to keep up his qualification hopes. Reason suggests he'll follow the money and no-one would blame him.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Bwcc on January 28, 2018, 04:09:27 PM
If anyone had watched any interviews with him they would see that he seems genuinely keen to play for England
Iíve met him at Sussex before and heís a lovely bloke and seems quite grounded so I doubt the money is going to change his mind
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: edge on January 28, 2018, 05:15:47 PM
Is there any chance,even a smidgen,that we could rush Archer through qualification?He could be the answer to our prayers!
If the ECB decided so, he could be in the team next week - has a British passport. No chance are they going to change their qualification rules though.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: csnew on January 28, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
If anyone had watched any interviews with him they would see that he seems genuinely keen to play for England
Iíve met him at Sussex before and heís a lovely bloke and seems quite grounded so I doubt the money is going to change his mind

That was before he got a big 1m cheque
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: liscon12 on January 28, 2018, 05:25:28 PM
Seems like a lot of big names went unsold.

I wonder if there will ever be a competition where all the worlds best players can play and there is no 'pro' cap like the IPL, BBL etc. I think it would be interesting to have say and 8 team completion which contain a mixture of the words best in each XI.
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 28, 2018, 05:26:33 PM
Does seem a really strange rule! The guy is British, any other sport and he would be in the relevant squad for it... Why did the ECB decide a rule that potentially weakens it?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: liscon12 on January 28, 2018, 05:29:50 PM
Does seem a really strange rule! The guy is British, any other sport and he would be in the relevant squad for it... Why did the ECB decide a rule that potentially weakens it?
Because if the England XI was made up of overseas players who have qualified in no time then there would be public outcry and the team would have no credibility. They have the rules to promote fairness I'd imagine
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 06:51:28 PM
Because if the England XI was made up of overseas players who have qualified in no time then there would be public outcry and the team would have no credibility. They have the rules to promote fairness I'd imagine

How do you differentiate between someone like Archer - who is genuinely British by birth - and AN Other South African from the mid 00s who is British by dint of his grandfather having been born here?
Title: Re: 2018 IPL Retention & Auction
Post by: ppccopener on January 28, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
Archer was born in Barbados.

He will have to wait as others have who were not born here to qualify. Have I missed something in this discussion(it wouldn't be the first time!)
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Post by: Manormanic on January 28, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Archer was born in Barbados.

He will have to wait as others have who were not born here to qualify. Have I missed something in this discussion(it wouldn't be the first time!)

Its not about where you were born, oddly.  Renshaw - or perhaps Sam Whiteman is a better example - would have to qualify, as the key is permanent residence.  The issue is, too many tenuously connected South Africans have led to a situation where someone born with a British parent is no longer able to play without qualification.
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Post by: edge on January 28, 2018, 08:56:53 PM
The biggest obstacle for Archer is that he's played for West Indies U19s, otherwise he wouldn't be subject to the same qualification period I believe.
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Post by: Buzz on January 28, 2018, 11:06:24 PM
The biggest obstacle for Archer is that he's played for West Indies U19s, otherwise he wouldn't be subject to the same qualification period I believe.
Nope it is the ECB 7 year ruling.
It is three years for all other sports and could be for Archer in cricket. But it isn't.

I worry he will become the next Graeme Hick.
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Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 28, 2018, 11:50:41 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Archer decided he wants to play for the West Indies considering the amount of cash he can obtain from the t20 circus. He could easily do what Narine does, play a handful of t20s for WI, and earn millions from various franchises
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Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 28, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
Surprised Amla was overlooked. He was quite sensational last term.
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Post by: liscon12 on January 28, 2018, 11:56:27 PM
Surprised Amla was overlooked. He was quite sensational last term.
I think it's even more apparent now that being the best in the world doesn't even guarantee you to be picked in the IPL. It all comes down to your T20 skills and form, not your test rankings.
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Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on January 28, 2018, 11:59:11 PM
I think it's even more apparent now that being the best in the world doesn't even guarantee you to be picked in the IPL. It all comes down to your T20 skills and form, not your test rankings.
Amla averages 34 with a s/r of 130 in t20, so he's not exactly a stiff. But it seems to biffer are more that flavour for the 2018 ipl
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Post by: it's_a_pudding on January 29, 2018, 01:29:55 AM
Nope it is the ECB 7 year ruling.
It is three years for all other sports and could be for Archer in cricket. But it isn't.

I worry he will become the next Graeme Hick.

Interesting you say that other sports is 3 years as I had seen a conversation between Luke Wright and people  on twitter and when questioned about Archer he said 3 years. Maybe they are pushing for it to be changed?
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Post by: Manormanic on January 29, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
Interesting you say that other sports is 3 years as I had seen a conversation between Luke Wright and people  on twitter and when questioned about Archer he said 3 years. Maybe they are pushing for it to be changed?

It is one of the gerat ruiners of international rugby - you have, especially, Ireland going over to South Africa and recruiting project players to bolster their national side.  I want Archer to play for England as much as anyone - but I can see why the rules are as they are.