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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: NT50 on February 03, 2018, 05:27:59 PM

Title: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: NT50 on February 03, 2018, 05:27:59 PM
Hiya guys!

After some advice on knocking in my new net bat as i've never done it before, have read the stickied thread on here but still have a few questions.

I watched the IJC video on oiling your bat but i reckon i've used a tad too much oil today (Paul said a roughly pea sized amount, i probably used 1.5/2 x that) Does this mean i should leave it for longer than 24 hours to dry and to start knocking in, or should i be ok to carry on?

I have a light kooka mallet and a heavier GN mallet. How long should i knock in with the light one before i move onto heavy?

Do i need to be a bit gentler with the toe/edges or hit them as hard as usual? (Also: with the edges, do i just hit it from a 45 degree angle or straight on?)

Cheers in advance lads!
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: KW9221 on February 03, 2018, 06:50:19 PM
I would give it more time for oil to soak in first then I will start knocking. Use lighter mallet for edges and toe and for initial knocking (about 30 mins to an hour). After that, you can start knocking with heavier mallet.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 03, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
What kind of a bat is it?

Not every bat needs oiling. If it is a big, high end bat, or very good quality G1-G2:

- I would either very lightly oil it or not oil it at all.
- I would knock only the edges and the prepare the toe region (4 inches) very well. I wouldn't mallet the middle, just knock using old balls in the nets.

If it is a normal size, low end G2 or lower grade bat:

- I would give it a single coat of oil.
- Knock the crap out of edges, toe, and the middle.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Gurujames on February 03, 2018, 08:09:18 PM
Personally I don't think the grading has any bearing on it. A well-pressed bat may need less knocking though.
Don't worry about over-oiling as it's an urban legend. And the oil only penetrates the first 0.1mm (ish) anyway.
Start knocking lightly on the edges and toe and gradually increase force.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 03, 2018, 08:22:21 PM
Just to confirm hit the edges at a 45 degree angle with  glanceing blows also don't go to hard anywhere on the bat to begin with.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: KW9221 on February 03, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
Personally I don't think the grading has any bearing on it. A well-pressed bat may need less knocking though.
Don't worry about over-oiling as it's an urban legend. And the oil only penetrates the first 0.1mm (ish) anyway.
Start knocking lightly on the edges and toe and gradually increase force.
You are correct. Grading has no bearing to it. Some people think higher end English Willow bats don’t need oiling. Last night, I saw my new team captain showed me his two very expensive bats and they were super dry. They were so dry that edges were peeling off due to dryness. He told me “You never oil English Willow bats ever”. I just looked at him.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 04, 2018, 12:03:14 AM
Personally I don't think the grading has any bearing on it. A well-pressed bat may need less knocking though.

 A high end primo bat from a master bat maker like Kranzbuhler has gotten the necessary treatment for the bat. We are not talking about willow grading. Bats are graded again by the bat maker after they finish the bats. Keeley does that as well.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 04, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
You are correct. Grading has no bearing to it. Some people think higher end English Willow bats don’t need oiling. Last night, I saw my new team captain showed me his two very expensive bats and they were super dry. They were so dry that edges were peeling off due to dryness. He told me “You never oil English Willow bats ever”. I just looked at him.

A bat maker's grading (not willow grading) is a different story. Oiling and beating a high end bat is overkill.

You are going to fix dryness with oil? How does oil make a bat less dry or moisture-full?
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: KW9221 on February 04, 2018, 01:08:02 AM
A bat maker's grading (not willow grading) is a different story. Oiling and beating a high end bat is overkill.

You are going to fix dryness with oil? How does oil make a bat less dry or moisture-full?

Preparing and looking after your bats prolong their lives. If you never oil your bats and keep them next to heaters, it will dry out your bat. I don’t know where are you getting your facts but you need to go back and check again.

All cricket bats purchased new must be run in.

Running In as outlined above is a process of ensuring that the owner of a new cricket bat prepares it for use against a new and hard cricket ball. All bats must be run in to both ensure the maximum performance of your cricket bat and to ensure its maximum life span.

There are cricket bats from some companies which are available new and 'ready to use' but we and others are not overly convinced about the merit of such an option as there is every possibility that these cricket bats may be 'over pressed'. Over pressing a cricket bat will extend a bats life span but will also and detrimentally reduce the performance and ping of your bat. A cricket bat should be crafted to provide optimal ping and performance and by knocking in such a bat properly yourself you are then able to extend the lifespan of your cricket bat.

Running a cricket bat in is in fact a very simple process but it must be done correctly. Please ensure that you run your bat in properly after purchase and before use against new cricket balls in the nets or in matches. A cricket bat which has not been run in may still perform ok but it will perform much better and last a lot longer if it has been run in properly. It is well worth investing a few hours over a few days to ensure your bat is run in correctly.

http://www.middlepeg.com/cricketbatcare.htm (http://www.middlepeg.com/cricketbatcare.htm)
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: brokenbat on February 04, 2018, 02:19:10 AM
Oiling and beating a high end bat is overkill.


No mate. In fact high end bats (willow is more delecate) generally need more preparation, not less. Doesn't mean you keep smashing it with a mallet, but once edges and toe is done, it's best to spend multiple hours in nets with good quality old balls. It will extend the lifespan substantially.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 04, 2018, 02:32:47 AM
Preparing and looking ...
[url]http://www.middlepeg.com/cricketbatcare.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.middlepeg.com/cricketbatcare.htm[/url])


You are quoting text from an ancient web site.

This is the problem with cricket world:  we accept mythology without any basis in reality or science.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 04, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
No mate. In fact high end bats (willow is more delecate) generally need more preparation, not less. Doesn't mean you keep smashing it with a mallet, but once edges and toe is done, it's best to spend multiple hours in nets with good quality old balls. It will extend the lifespan substantially.

That is essentially what I am saying -  less mallet (only for edges and toes) and more soft balls in net for preparing the middle/face of the bat.

Still, oiling a primo, high end bat is overkill. Very little oil is needed, if any,  and then knock edges and toe area. Don't beat a primo bat with a mallet, just use soft/old leather balls in the nets for the middle/face of the bat.

Sheesh @brokenbat , you made me repeat myself again, and again so that there is no confusion. :D 
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: KW9221 on February 04, 2018, 04:20:22 AM
You are quoting text from an ancient web site.

This is the problem with cricket world:  we accept mythology without any basis in reality or science.
I don’t know mate. Every single retailer I have talked to told me about knocking every new Bat regardless of who the batmaker is. Please show me where it is said that those high end Bats Don’t require knocking. I am curious to know myself.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: InternalTraining on February 04, 2018, 04:33:43 AM
I don’t know mate. Every single retailer I have talked to told me about knocking every new Bat regardless of who the batmaker is. Please show me where it is said they those high end Bats Don’t require knocking. I am curious to know myself.

I did not say that in my original post. I wrote: "Oiling and beating a high end bat is overkill." Preparing edges and toe is fine. Beating the middle/face with a mallet is unnecessary, soft balls in nets are good enough.

My original comment was about oiling. Read: Oiling. You said that oiling cures dryness of bat which I don't see working. In my opinion, oiling bats only helps with initial knocking, after that it is pretty useless.

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Please show me where...

There is nothing to show. Cricket equipment world is full of bs/mythical information with no basis in reality. I don't oil my bats after first knocking. They have stayed fine after several seasons.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Number4 on February 04, 2018, 04:54:04 AM
I’m more of a “roll” the edges on the side of the bath than knocking with a mallet... Tried and proven. Never cracked an edge on a bat in 30+ years of cricket
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: NT50 on February 04, 2018, 05:47:21 PM
Would love to use a bath tub but there isn't one in the flat!

I spent about 45 mins knocking in the edges today, and right at the end this tiny little crack appeared. Is this normal, and if not how do i go about sorting it.

Cheers!

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Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: sarg on February 04, 2018, 05:48:41 PM
There are some interesting opinions here. It all depends on the bat not the grade. Oiling is not a bad thing and id recommend two light coatis before knocking. Leave it a minimum 24 hours after that final coat. The colder the climate the longer the leave. Leaving it just seems to soften the willow enough to avoid cracking during prep.

This video covers it nicely.

https://youtu.be/IjLEFvP85kY

Some bats are really dry and sharp and the edges can crack during rolling, which I now from experience and do before any mallet work.

My experiences on preparation are covered in this video.

https://youtu.be/AkkBpC6ff60
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: sarg on February 04, 2018, 05:54:11 PM
Would love to use a bath tub but there isn't one in the flat!

I spent about 45 mins knocking in the edges today, and right at the end this tiny little crack appeared. Is this normal, and if not how do i go about sorting it.

Cheers!


Normal for that brand....

Very dry bats and some can crack along the edges like rice crackers during rolling!!! Been there, done that.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 04, 2018, 06:44:41 PM
Just give it a light sand and it will disappear
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: NT50 on February 04, 2018, 07:43:55 PM
I'll go and get some sandpaper after uni tomorrow, which grade would you recommend?

Is this crack likely just cosmetic or will it affect performance? cheers!
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: simonmay5 on February 04, 2018, 07:58:05 PM
Purely cosmetic and won’t affect the performance at all
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Northern monkey on February 04, 2018, 07:58:53 PM
Looks a lovely bat, that cracks nothing to worry about
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 04, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
If you're that bothered a dab of superglue in there will sort that. Dab on the crack and sand while the glue is still wet, it will seal the crack and the sanding creates a kind of filler too.

I'd personally carry on knocking it in, then apply some edge tape to hide it. As has already been stated it's purely cosmetic
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: richyreed on February 04, 2018, 08:34:25 PM
This is a good video showing how to easily fix a crack like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-AvpPmsdkg&t=231s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-AvpPmsdkg&t=231s)
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: NT50 on February 04, 2018, 08:50:50 PM
Cheers for the quick replies lads!

I haven't given any attention to the toe or face yet, shall i start with my light mallet for a while or go straight to the heavy mallet when it arrives? cheers!
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 04, 2018, 09:09:46 PM
Just hit it!!
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 05, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
Would recommend Starting with light mallet.
Title: Re: Oiling/Knocking In
Post by: Number4 on February 05, 2018, 09:09:48 AM
Would recommend Staring with light mallet.

You must have a very strong Stare 😲🙄