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Title: Morgan to CA
Post by: play-yourself-in on February 12, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
Saw this news this morning on The Cricket Shed twitter account.


https://twitter.com/Allthegear99/status/1095282628146720769

Sometimes is think i love the CA branding and then other days i hate it!

Only ever seen one in the flesh and it was really nice.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 12, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Saw this news this morning on The Cricket Shed twitter account.


https://twitter.com/Allthegear99/status/1095282628146720769

Sometimes is think i love the CA branding and then other days i hate it!

Only ever seen one in the flesh and it was really nice.

Only ever seen one? Crikey! Where do you live?
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 12, 2019, 01:15:34 PM
Great signing!
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: InternalTraining on February 12, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
If he waves a CA around in the 2019 World Cup, then this is a great signing!
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Eoin gets about a bit when it comes to sponsors, doesn't he!

Kookaburra, Slazenger, Spartan, SF and now CA
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: liscon12 on February 12, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Didn't James Franklin use CA while he was at Middlesex, maybe some sort of connection there?
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: DorsetDan on February 12, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
That branding is full on CA, and you should never go full CA kids (Tropic Thunder reference)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: InternalTraining on February 12, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Not going to deny it, I wanted to order a CA after seeing Morgan holding a CA. :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 12, 2019, 03:00:08 PM
too bad CA are gonna sell the same over-dried pieces of garbage now with the MORG stickers and charge a kidney for it
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Cover_Drive on February 12, 2019, 03:23:48 PM
Didn't James Franklin use CA while he was at Middlesex, maybe some sort of connection there?

As @Alvaro pointed it out to me - Morgan's manager (Naill O'Brien) is also sponsored by CA so maybe he had a input.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 12, 2019, 04:13:00 PM
too bad CA are gonna sell the same over-dried pieces of garbage now with the MORG stickers and charge a kidney for it

Bit harsh that! Although have to agree they are way more expensive than many other Pakistani brands. However I do think they have the best finishing than any Pakistani brand.

Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Cover_Drive on February 12, 2019, 04:21:29 PM
Bit harsh that! Although have to agree they are way more expensive than many other Pakistani brands. However I do think they have the best finishing than any Pakistani brand.

I feel CA is able to inflate their prices due to the market share and the brand value, it is most sought out and preferred Pakistani brand.

Just like what you said, "best finishing than any Pakistani brand" that speaks about CA's brand value, although I would say the best finishing and perhaps most reliable Pakistani brand is MIDS in my opinion.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
Bit harsh that! Although have to agree they are way more expensive than many other Pakistani brands. However I do think they have the best finishing than any Pakistani brand.

How can you tell how good the finishing is? The willow is about 98% covered by stickers!  ;)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: InternalTraining on February 12, 2019, 06:04:44 PM
too bad CA are gonna sell the same over-dried pieces of garbage now with the MORG stickers and charge a kidney for it

I have personally used a few and they have been amazing! Many people in my league use them and love them. Good bats do cost a bit of money if you don't know how to pick "gems" from a pile of low priced bats. Or, if you personally have a great bat maker make a bat for you and charge you a reasonable price.

Bat game is rigged the same by all.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
too bad CA are gonna sell the same over-dried pieces of garbage now with the MORG stickers and charge a kidney for it

I have a 2.8 CA Shoaib Malik Signature bat. I would be amazed if any other bat at 2.8 can match it's performance.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 08:47:21 AM
I have personally used ca for a long time. 3 years ago i had a plus 5000 and last year i got a dragon series 50mm. Many of my teammates use ca as well ranging from 3000 all the way up to 15000 player edition 7 star bats. And guess what out of about 15 of the ca bats i have seen in use there is a 100% occurance of delaminated edges and toe very very early in their life. Sometimes even while knocking in. Dont get me wrong they have all performed fantastic. But the durability of Ca bats is questionable at best. The dragon series bat which i shelled a  lot of cash on didnt even last a whole season and i bat at 8. One fine day i middled a slog to midwicket and a chunk of wood snapped right off from the side  of the bat. Not to mention there is no consistency in shapes or weights. Moreover their customer service and attitude is apalling as well. In addition if u have a look at their recent range of bats, the Ca plus 15000 bat which is supposed to be their grade 1 bats dont even pass for grade 3 bats anymore. I for one will never be spending my money on Ca bats anytime soon. They used to be great! Now theyr just riding their popularity and give zero effs about quality
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: IQ on February 13, 2019, 09:16:11 AM
  i got a dragon series 50mm.

there is a 100% occurance of delaminated edges and toe very very early in their life. Sometimes even while knocking in. 

Fully Agreed.

I have knocked in 2 DRAGONS recently and both started Cracking while knocking in. Bought from local Melbourne Store who import direct from CA pakistan. Refuse to knock those now.
 

This bat came in for repair the other day. Bats after 1st net against an old ball- this was knocked in and Fibretec'ed by the user. Drier than Sahara  :o

https://imgur.com/a/lMhFP7z
(https://imgur.com/a/lMhFP7z)


Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 09:22:17 AM
I agree with you that their quality has gone down slightly, as in not all 7 star bats are now the same. Grains are always good but weights can be 2.12+ and pickup not so smooth. I have sent a couple of handpicked bats to some forum friends and in my opinion they are better than bats twice their price.
Their 7 star bats have always been for 40,000 Pakistani rupees which is about 220 pounds here locally, while other companies have jacked their price up to twice as much for grade1+ bats. CA now has expanded their range to include a couple of sponsored player signature bats which are in my opinion as good as bats can get. These bats are now their top offerings and their best willow.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: AJ2014 on February 13, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
I've used ca 15000 for 2 years,12 ruler straight grains, 40mm edges, oiled 3 times properly, maybe 2 hours knocking in, helicopter protecting sheet applied, believe me there was not even 1 crack or any damage to be seen,
What I've seen is that guys don't even oil or knock them in at all, and start using in the nets,
But 15000 is a top bat and top seller.
Huge value for money, at that it retailed £250, if one knows how to handle it

Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: safeer on February 13, 2019, 09:55:18 AM
too bad CA are gonna sell the same over-dried pieces of garbage now with the MORG stickers and charge a kidney for it

Very harsh I should say. I have used CA for many years and always impressed by their performance. CA 15000 PE costs around £250 and can easily be compared to any UK made top grade bat which would cost more than £400. Toe damaging issue is more to do with having square toe design than rounded toe....when you have square toe bat looks wider and gives you more confidence
but obviously have more chances to crack. CA PE bats are generally soft pressed and within few sessions they are ready to go...if you are more worried about breaking than performance then yes don't buy it...I would recommend buying GM in that case ...it will not break but off course it will take a year to open up.  :D....I had a GM Flare Limited Edition costs almost £500 but didn't open up even after a year to what CA was performing.

Watch this and have some knowledge please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQsGCCmKgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQsGCCmKgk)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 10:09:05 AM
Very harsh I should say. I have used CA for many years and always impressed by their performance. CA 15000 PE costs around £250 and can easily be compared to any UK made top grade bat which would cost more than £400. Toe damaging issue is more to do with having square toe design than rounded toe....when you have square toe bat looks wider and gives you more confidence
but obviously have more chances to crack. CA PE bats are generally soft pressed and within few sessions they are ready to go...if you are more worried about breaking than performance then yes don't buy it...I would recommend buying GM in that case ... off course it will take a year to open up.  :D....I had a GM Flare Limited Edition costs almost £500 but didn't open up even after a year to what CA was performing.

Watch this and have some knowledge please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQsGCCmKgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQsGCCmKgk)
Im sorry im not sitting on a gold mine and i would rather have a bat that takes some time to open up but lasts long rather than an overdried bat thats really good performance wise but doesnt last 3 months. Im a very orthodox batsman and dont play helicopter shots against yorkers. Nor do i throw my bat at everything. And i take care of my equipment. Regulalry oil and refurb my bats. So no. My bat did not break because of misuse. Infact it lasted 3 months because i used it and took care of it. In more careless hands it wouldnt have lasted 2 games. I literally had to repair the bat after every net or game usage cause there would be some sort of crack somewhere. Sure i had a blast with the bat for as long as it lasted cause it pinged like a cannon but having spent in excess of 200 quid on it, it didnt justify its price. I definitely wont stand for a bat like that. Especially from a company that takes zero responsibility for their products. They dont even have any warranty against storm damage.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 10:16:31 AM
And coming back to my original point, i have seen the factory process first hand at Ca. There is no consistency. They will pick a random bat and put random stickers on them. There is absolutely zero difference between 2 SM18 or 15000PE. And then u will see another 15000pe with a duckbill toe, another with a rounded toe, another with spine into the toe. And i can bet a lot of money that this new morg bats will be exactly the same as any of the 15000pe or sm18 bats that u find in the market. There is going to be absolutely zero justification in the jump in price from 40k to 75k for just having morg stickers on them
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 10:21:31 AM
Im sorry im not sitting on a gold mine and i would rather have a bat that takes some time to open up but lasts long rather than an overdried bat thats really good performance wise but doesnt last 3 months. Im a very orthodox batsman and dont play helicopter shots against yorkers. Nor do i throw my bat at everything. And i take care of my equipment. Regulalry oil and refurb my bats. So no. My bat did not break because of misuse. Infact it lasted 3 months because i used it and took care of it. In more careless hands it wouldnt have lasted 2 games. I literally had to repair the bat after every net or game usage cause there would be some sort of crack somewhere. Sure i had a blast with the bat for as long as it lasted cause it pinged like a cannon but having spent in excess of 200 quid on it, it didnt justify its price. I definitely wont stand for a bat like that. Especially from a company that takes zero responsibility for their products. They dont even have any warranty against storm damage.

I live in Pakistan, I have never seen a bat this fragile ever, CA or any other local/imported brand for that matter. Are you sure it was a cricket bat that you were using?
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
Aren't you the same guy who got a 50mm dragon at 2.8/2.9 a few months ago? @Mfarank
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
Aren't you the same guy who got a 50mm dragon at 2.8/2.9 a few months ago? @Mfarank
Yup its me. And it was last February. I posted pics on here in the ca section.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 11:03:15 AM
Yup its me. And it was last February. I posted pics on here in the ca section.

What did you expect mate? 50mm at 2.8/2.9. No wonder it didn't last.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
I didnt know better then. I do now. And its not just that bat so its not a one off. The pattern is same with every single Ca bat i have come across. Delaminated edges, delaminated toes. Great ping but very poor longevity
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 11:21:22 AM
This is a 2 season used bat. Around 1500 runs and 5-6 net sessions. I removed the scuffsheet and took these pictures

(https://i.imgur.com/rfqILag.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JLHCo9k.jpg)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
The key words being 2 seasons old. When did u buy it? Like i said before they used to be great not too long ago. Have u seen any of their 2019 bats? The 10000 and 12000 look like grade 4 while 15000 look like grade 3. The PEs now have so much heartwood and not straight grains anymore. Thats the illusion. They didnt "increase" the price of a Ca plus 15000 bat. They just started putting their 15000 stickers on bats that wouldv been on 8000 a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 11:30:24 AM
Quote
(https://i.imgur.com/JLHCo9k.jpg)
I would be really surprised if u tell me that u havent had that edge delaminated and put back together
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: safeer on February 13, 2019, 11:35:23 AM
I think you just had a bad experience and yes that can happen with any brand...like I had with GM but that doesn't make them necessarily that bad. Anyway one question to you which UK brand offers a G1 bat in £250? I bought a B3 LE last year, its great I must accept it but i had to pay £425 so the point is if you are looking for a bat which performs well, have all the looks and lasts long then be prepared to pay the price :)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
No delamination whatsoever @Mfarank
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 11:40:46 AM
I think you just had a bad experience and yes that can happen with any brand...like I had with GM but that doesn't make them necessarily that bad. Anyway one question to you which UK brand offers a G1 bat in £250? I bought a B3 LE last year, its great I must accept it but i had to pay £425 so the point is if you are looking for a bat which performs well, have all the looks and lasts long then be prepared to pay the price :)
There are lots of brands out there. Gm 909 bats are around that price point. Blank bats also have G1 bats for 250 quid and those are TK. and thats not the point. Even in pakistan itself there are much better brands like Mids and HS that have better looking bats for cheaper price. HS is essentially the same as Ca since the owners are both brothers.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 11:42:42 AM
No delamination whatsoever @Mfarank
Thats awesome for u then bro! I have personally never seen a Ca bat that hasnt seen edge repair including the 2 times that i have owned one.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: AJ2014 on February 13, 2019, 11:44:27 AM
Talking to me? No, not even one little crack anywhere on the bat! Had it since 2016, there's only a point of buying a top which takes up a season to get to his peak is, if there is already a bat that's going guns, otherwise even gn legend will be felt like a fail 🙂
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
I picked these 2 bats for a very good friend of mine in Australia. This is grade 1+ in my opinion. 400 Australian dollars/220 pounds approximately. Value for money considering the inflated prices these days.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ua1QpCo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M7zqKuE.jpg)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 13, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
Check out Marcís(CricketBatInfo) review of the CA player edition 7 star from a few weeks ago as well. I sent that one as well. 40 edges, 67 spine hardly any concaving at 2.7.5 on the scales
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: AJ2014 on February 13, 2019, 12:01:38 PM
These are the bats with high amount of grain on each of them consistently, don't think any other brand will win it on this, think most important is bat care, properly oiled, all bat areas knocked in, if no sheet then oil it regularly, a little bit, they're going to stay for long.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Well everyone has a right to their opinion. U guys backed yours with evidence and i backed mine with evidence too. So lets end it at that and agree to disagree. I dislike Ca and i have my reasons. there isnt much you can say or do to change my mind. Peace out
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: safeer on February 13, 2019, 12:33:51 PM
@Mfarank - agreed

@Ajdal - ohh man these bats are very tempting  :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: AJ2014 on February 13, 2019, 12:41:38 PM
It's not to prove you wrong, you might be unlucky with them.
I'm not using ca 15000, wasn't happy with it's pickup, might be too high middle.
I'm gone over to mb malik bats, first I tried cheaper ones, very impressed with their pressing and liked their pickup, mid high, bought a few mb hpro, which are no less than sensation to me
So it's about the person using a stick, decides which cricket bat is most suitable to requirements. It can be £40 one or a top end one 
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: mattw on February 13, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Ultimately, a lot of this discussion comes down to the drying processes of the willow. In theory a lot of clefts can be made in to a bat at 40mm edges with 67mm spine at 2lb 7oz if they're completely dried out, but this will obviously lead breakages - which backs up most peoples opinion of CA. So, whilst their bats could be massive for the weight - the consistency of them lasting is dubious.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: brokenbat on February 13, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
Never had a bad experience with CAs.. then again, I've only used the higher end models. I also spend a lot of time preparing them - oiling, boning/rolling the edges slowly, then moving very gradually to mallet work. given how sharp their edges are, it takes some time. Never found their bats to be over dry, and always been happy (except for the 5 springs in the handles - i prefer stiff handles).
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: KW9221 on February 13, 2019, 02:44:44 PM
I didnt know better then. I do now. And its not just that bat so its not a one off. The pattern is same with every single Ca bat i have come across. Delaminated edges, delaminated toes. Great ping but very poor longevity
I have 5-6 CA bats and I have scored majority of my runs with them and havenít had any longevity issues. I am a realistic person I realize, I canít expect huge bats with 2.8-2.9 weight. It is just asking for trouble. Plus, check the quality of the ball. Higher grade bats are softer pressed for quick performance.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: InternalTraining on February 13, 2019, 03:10:00 PM

And guess what out of about 15 of the ca bats i have seen in use there is a 100% occurance of delaminated edges and toe very very early in their life. Sometimes even while knocking in. Dont get me wrong they have all performed fantastic. But the durability of Ca bats is questionable at best.

A few comments:

- My league has lot of senior players who've been playing cricket for a long time. The oldest bats I see are the CAs and GNs. These bats are very well taken care of and their color has changed over time due to oiling. :D It is always nice to see those old bats with their old stickers.

- I have a M&H Amplus that I am told was made by Tim Keeley. That bat out of the box was pinging like a trampoline. M&H had knocked and boned the bat for me. That bat delaminated very quickly.

- My main CA, an SM autographed bat, lasted me 4 or 5 seasons, scored lot of runs and hit massive sixes . It is still good to go. It is delaminated and sounds funny but has some life in it. When knocking this bat, I was very hard on it with my mallet.

- My current match bat is a Keeley and it was machine knocked after my mallet job didn't help. It was a slow bloomer. :D Now that it is is all "grown-ed" up and kicking ass, I am noticing some delamination. In terms of hit range, this is by far the best I have used and it is delaminating after 1 full season.

- Old Kippax with dragon stickers delaminated as well even though it pings beautifully. My mallet job on that bat was pretty severe as well. This bat is the oldest I have and I didn't know to properly knock/prepare a bat.

- Another bat whose brand name rhymes with "performance free" is delaminating. This is the bat I designed, a 385 density cleft was used, and it was graded G1. This bat is so bad that no amount of knocking woke him up. I relegated it to "nets-only" status because it can absorb shocks from cheap balls at 18 yards.

All these bats were made by different bat makers and prepared/knocked with varying level of intensity. They delaminated. The only common factor is the quality of balls we use in our league (that factor has not changed) and , perhaps, the hardness of knocking. There is not much I can do about the balls but I have considerably changed my knocking, much gentler now.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 05:26:14 PM
A few comments:

- My league has lot of senior players who've been playing cricket for a long time. The oldest bats I see are the CAs and GNs. These bats are very well taken care of and their color has changed over time due to oiling. :D It is always nice to see those old bats with their old stickers.

- I have a M&H Amplus that I am told was made by Tim Keeley. That bat out of the box was pinging like a trampoline. M&H had knocked and boned the bat for me. That bat delaminated very quickly.

- My main CA, an SM autographed bat, lasted me 4 or 5 seasons, scored lot of runs and hit massive sixes . It is still good to go. It is delaminated and sounds funny but has some life in it. When knocking this bat, I was very hard on it with my mallet.

- My current match bat is a Keeley and it was machine knocked after my mallet job didn't help. It was a slow bloomer. :D Now that it is is all "grown-ed" up and kicking ass, I am noticing some delamination. In terms of hit range, this is by far the best I have used and it is delaminating after 1 full season.

- Old Kippax with dragon stickers delaminated as well even though it pings beautifully. My mallet job on that bat was pretty severe as well. This bat is the oldest I have and I didn't know to properly knock/prepare a bat.

- Another bat whose brand name rhymes with "performance free" is delaminating. This is the bat I designed, a 385 density cleft was used, and it was graded G1. This bat is so bad that no amount of knocking woke him up. I relegated it to "nets-only" status because it can absorb shocks from cheap balls at 18 yards.

All these bats were made by different bat makers and prepared/knocked with varying level of intensity. They delaminated. The only common factor is the quality of balls we use in our league (that factor has not changed) and , perhaps, the hardness of knocking. There is not much I can do about the balls but I have considerably changed my knocking, much gentler now.
I dont disagree with any of ur comments. And i most certainly believe Ca were the best pakistani company out there until recently. Vr talking the past year or so. Believe me i have seen personally what is being done. And it is not right whats happening. I'll mention once again. Ca plus 15000 is supposed to be their grade 1 bat. 2 years ago the average Ca plus 15000 would have 8-10 straight grains and none to very little heartwood. If u see the latest Ca plus 15000 they have lots of blemishes and upto 70% heartwood and even the grains arent straight. There may be an odd one out that still looks great but im telling from a batch of 20 bats that i saw 18 wouldnt pass as grade 1 (according to the JS wright definition of grade 1). What they have done (and their rep confirmed) is kept the price of Ca plus 15000 the same as 3 years ago. But its no longer the same bat. The willow that 3 years ago would have been Ca plus 8000 or 10000 is now 15000. And the willow that used to be 15000 is now players edition and so on. My recommendation to anyone looking to buy a Ca bat would be to try and look for ones with older stickers. U will see the clear difference
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 13, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
They have always pushed previous flagship bats down the order. I still don't get your moaning.

Years ago the Plus 10000 was their flagship bat that was replaced by the 12000,  so the quality of willow in 10000 became lower grade.

They are probably releasing new ranges and demoting the 15000. Admittedly I've never understood their model ranges but they've been doing this for years.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 05:35:54 PM
To prove my point, this is what the Ca plus 5000 used to look like back is 2013
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvjMt52C/FB-IMG-1550079040619.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LsH67kcJ/FB-IMG-1550079045512.jpg)

And this is what their Ca plus 10000 Camo edition looks like in 2019!!!

(https://i.postimg.cc/QdjFGr5N/FB-IMG-1550079090446.jpg)

Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 13, 2019, 05:39:13 PM
Yup... that's what I said... so I don't get what point you are trying to make?
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 05:39:27 PM
They have always pushed previous flagship bats down the order. I still don't get your moaning.

Years ago the Plus 10000 was their flagship bat that was replaced by the 12000,  so the quality of willow in 10000 became lower grade.

They are probably releasing new ranges and demoting the 15000. Admittedly I've never understood their model ranges but they've been doing this for years.
But that is not what they say. According to their website Ca plus 12000 is still supposed to be grade 1. So is 15000. Which isnt the case. What ur saying is true but they are deceptive about it. So now the bat that used to cost say 200quid couple of years ago is now costing 450 quid even with Ca. They just downgraded the old 200 quid bat
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: brokenbat on February 13, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
This much anger at one brand seems really.... odd. Go look at Hanif's CA bat reviews (EclipseAllsports) on YouTube. Every single 15,000 is a stunner.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 13, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
This much anger at one brand seems really.... odd. Go look at Hanif's CA bat reviews (EclipseAllsports) on YouTube. Every single 15,000 is a stunner.
One of my teammates who has a Ca plus 15000 player edition 7 star bought it from Hanif. Again delaminated on the toe and cracked the shoulder within half a season. That one was prepared by hanif. Not his fault thought. U cant really tell if a bat is dry until u use it
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: LBWCandidate on February 13, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
CA bats go like guns.
However, my teammate got two 15000 bats from Best Cricket Store in USA and both broke in practice with old ball after knocking etc.
But some of teammates have old CA bats which are still in brilliant condition after 5+ years.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: InternalTraining on February 13, 2019, 06:38:47 PM
If u see the latest Ca plus 15000 they have lots of blemishes and upto 70% heartwood and even the grains arent straight. There may be an odd one out that still looks great but im telling from a batch of 20 bats that i saw 18 wouldnt pass as grade 1 (according to the JS wright definition of grade 1). What they have done (and their rep confirmed) is kept the price of Ca plus 15000 the same as 3 years ago. But its no longer the same bat. The willow that 3 years ago would have been Ca plus 8000 or 10000 is now 15000. And the willow that used to be 15000 is now players edition and so on. My recommendation to anyone looking to buy a Ca bat would be to try and look for ones with older stickers. U will see the clear difference


It has been known for many years that once a new model is released the G2 grade bats are stickered by CA with the highest grade model of last year. This is true.

But, lets look at the heart of the issue: What is a G1 bat anyway?

I paid GBP 450 for a bat sold by a forum sponsor and I had the same bat copied by the master bat maker for much less. The sponsor sold me the bat as G1 or SPS - PRO grade without stickers. I got a G1 from the bat maker with no stickers. I don't care about looks or the grains. But if you saw the grains, you won't call them "G1". They have heart wood. Most my "G1" bats have heartwood or blemishes. I am fine with paying for performance because that eliminates risk to me as a buyer but that's my preference. Unfortunately, consumers are sold on the beautiful (but scarce hence high demand) straight grain "grading" model which is a scam.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45115.msg725608#msg725608 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45115.msg725608#msg725608)

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=44912.msg730523#msg730523 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=44912.msg730523#msg730523)

Prices of bats have gone up across the brands in last few years. It was expected which is why I stocked up on bats in last few years. :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: ca_gold on February 13, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
Just an inside tip for ca owners and those potentially looking to get one, always take a look on top of your handle for a number which represents their grading. 00 is their best willow, usually reserved for the top models, then 0, then 1,2,3. Its the best way to normally pick one out. I have a 12000, graded as 00, full legnth and semi oval. It's a gun.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: jonny77 on February 13, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
Morgan bat will retail at 600 gbp apparently. No thanks
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: KW9221 on February 14, 2019, 01:02:55 AM
Morgan bat will retail at 600 gbp apparently. No thanks
Based on my knowledge, it is $600. Not 600 gbp.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 14, 2019, 03:31:50 AM
Its going to retail at pkr75000 in pakistan which is close to 420gbp.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 14, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
I think 420 gbp is fair price relative to other brands top bats in the current market. Look at how much these SS Sharpies are going for lol Or these SG bats in coffins!

- Now would I buy a bat for 420 gbp? Probably not but that is a separate conversation.
- Are there better value bats in Pakistan? Definitely Yes
- Are they the best finished bats from Pakistan? Arguably so, with one or two people claiming MIDs are up there too
- Would I buy a CA bat? Personally not, although I rate them highly

However when you look at the wider market I don't think CA are overpriced. Could argue CA may even be cheaper than some brands and better value.

Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 14, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
I think 420 gbp is fair price relative to other brands top bats in the current market. Look at how much these SS Sharpies are going for lol Or these SG bats in coffins!

- Now would I buy a bat for 420 gbp? Probably not but that is a separate conversation.
- Are there better value bats in Pakistan? Definitely Yes
- Are they the best finished bats from Pakistan? Arguably so, with one or two people claiming MIDs are up there too
- Would I buy a CA bat? Personally not, although I rate them highly

However when you look at the wider market I don't think CA are overpriced. Could argue CA may even be cheaper than some brands and better value.
Its all relative to the market if u look at it this way. Lets say hypothetically about all the brands of the UK. If all of them had their best of the best grade bats priced around 420-450gpb then u would say its fair game. But if GM were to suddenly bump the price of their OLE grade to 750gbp then u could arguably say it is overpriced as everyone else is still selling their best bats for 450gbp.

The same in pakistan. Every other brand in pakistan have their best of the best graded bats priced between 35000pkr to 45000pkr some even lower. Enter Ca who suddenly bump their top grade rrp to 75000pkr. And that makes things very interesting
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 14, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
Its all relative to the market if u look at it this way. Lets say hypothetically about all the brands of the UK. If all of them had their best of the best grade bats priced around 420-450gpb then u would say its fair game. But if GM were to suddenly bump the price of their OLE grade to 750gbp then u could arguably say it is overpriced as everyone else is still selling their best bats for 450gbp.

The same in pakistan. Every other brand in pakistan have their best of the best graded bats priced between 35000pkr to 45000pkr some even lower. Enter Ca who suddenly bump their top grade rrp to 75000pkr. And that makes things very interesting

You need to take into account that they also have some high profile sponsored players. As you'd expect the y need to recoup the money. The other Pakistani brands don't need to recoup this money. I'm sure Eion Morgan cost them a premium as he could have gone elsewhere. Think you really have it in for CA  :D :D :D :D I'm just trying to be fair! I bet if tomorrow one of the boutique brands here sponsored a big player you may see prices rise  ;) ;) ;)

 
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 14, 2019, 12:44:34 PM
PS CA have a very good reputation too which you can't argue about! More so than the other Pakistani brands. Whether that is justified or not.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: KW9221 on February 14, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
Sadly, one more topic was hijacked by this pointless argument. I am sure the person who started this topic didnít mean it to go this way..
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: safeer on February 14, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Sadly, one more topic was hijacked by this pointless argument. I am sure the person who started this topic didnít mean it to go this way..

agreed and both Morgan and CA are completely unaware of this  :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 01:42:00 PM
I like CA bats, all those from reputable suppliers have seemed really nice. Secretly want an MB Malik Bubber Sher though...
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 14, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
Love Ca balls though. Their Super test balls are both cheap and right up there among the best of the best. Have opened them up too and the contents are same as ones found in kookaburra turf and dukes. So yea im not a dedicated Ca hater  :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: jonny77 on February 14, 2019, 02:10:15 PM
It was Edclipse allsports Insta where I saw 600gbp, was actually 600gbp +  :o
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: SD on February 14, 2019, 05:53:08 PM
It would be interesting to know what market they are aiming for with a bat in that price bracket.  I have to say that my perception of CA is that they produce big bats that go from the start but have a short life span due to the moisture take out to get then down to a useable weight.  At that price range they are up against brands of a far more reliable reputation
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: safeer on February 14, 2019, 08:23:31 PM
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Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: jamesisapayne on February 14, 2019, 11:54:22 PM
Fully knocked my arrse, could cut your finger on those edges.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Yorkershire on February 14, 2019, 11:57:38 PM
This whole fully knocked in rubbish. I've never understood why a company of CA's calibre would put that on their bats. Absolute @$%%^;#!  Faran... see there's something that annoys me about CA ;)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: KW9221 on February 15, 2019, 12:01:25 AM
Bats look quite good. I must resist the urge of buying one of these..
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Mfarank on February 15, 2019, 05:08:15 AM
This whole fully knocked in rubbish. I've never understood why a company of CA's calibre would put that on their bats. Absolute @$%%^;#!  Faran... see there's something that annoys me about CA ;)
But thats something consistent with every brand in pakistan lol
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: joymarvin on February 15, 2019, 05:25:58 AM
Bats look quite good. I must resist the urge of buying one of these..

You are approaching retirement. Please do not buy new bats  :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 15, 2019, 08:06:48 AM
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Not sure if the actual price will be 600 pounds or not but the bats look as good as some of the legend gold bats I have seen. Definitely better looking than the SS Pro bats Eclipse All Sports usually posts on Insta. Before my Indian friends/SS fans get offended, I'm a fan of the SS player issue bats the 2 I have seen were really good, but they didn't look as good as these in terms of grain structure.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: mo_town on February 15, 2019, 10:58:07 AM
Not sure if the actual price will be 600 pounds or not but the bats look as good as some of the legend gold bats I have seen. Definitely better looking than the SS Pro bats Eclipse All Sports usually posts on Insta. Before my Indian friends/SS fans get offended, I'm a fan of the SS player issue bats the 2 I have seen were really good, but they didn't look as good as these in terms of grain structure.

You do understand that each bat in a bat range could be different based on the willow the tree came from right? Unless CA are using a grain sheet that will make all the CA bats look the same!  :D
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on February 15, 2019, 12:42:08 PM
The grains in those bats are gorgeous, thought!
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Ajdal on February 15, 2019, 12:51:34 PM
You do understand that each bat in a bat range could be different based on the willow the tree came from right? Unless CA are using a grain sheet that will make all the CA bats look the same!  :D

And you do understand that my judgement on the looks are based on these few CA samples compared to the unlimited number of SS pro issue bats that every retailer has access to now.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: KW9221 on February 15, 2019, 12:56:48 PM
You do understand that each bat in a bat range could be different based on the willow the tree came from right? Unless CA are using a grain sheet that will make all the CA bats look the same!  :D
I wouldnít be surprised if CA goes through the entire pile and hand select those which are deserving to be CA Morgan bats.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: wasted_talent on February 15, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
not sure what all the fuss is about, seems like a bargain to me :)
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 20, 2019, 09:30:25 PM
Morgan still using an SF in the ODI today
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Kulli on February 20, 2019, 09:46:05 PM
Guessing his contract runs until after this series.
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: jimmy23 on February 22, 2019, 09:34:23 PM
Heís using CA in the ODI today
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: liscon12 on February 22, 2019, 10:14:12 PM
Heís using CA in the ODI today
You say that but is he actually using a CA? 🤔
Title: Re: Morgan to CA
Post by: Canners on February 22, 2019, 10:31:33 PM
Looks too wide for a CA