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Title: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 12, 2019, 11:13:58 PM
With the largely disastrous West Indies tour behind us, we have just one test against Ireland in August before we face the resurgent Aussies at home. Given their recent turnaround, could we be evenly matched teams? I think it's going to be one of the best series in recent times! There will plenty of drama along the way...

Who makes your team? This is a potential pick... I kind of think we'd be recalling Bell too late now, but I wouldn't mind seeing him have one last hurrah... as long as he isn't sponsored by Woodworm!

Burns
Denly
Bell/Vince/Ballance (Whoever scores more early on).
Root
Buttler
Foakes/Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen/Leach
Wood/Woakes/Curran
Broad
Anderson
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: LateBloomer on February 12, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
Woakes will be 3rd seamer if fit. Cant fault his performance at home.

Wouldn't have Ballance anywhere near an Ashes series home or away.

Wouldnt have Denly as a shoe in after one 50 in a dead rubber Test. Lets see how he does in Div 1 of the Championship first. If he scores heavily Id be happy to see him in there

2 and 3 I think are the most blatantly open positions and Id wait and see who is scoring runs in the Championship. Not something that can be predicted in Feb
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 13, 2019, 01:07:28 AM
The top 3 are almost impossible to call at the moment given the absence of any player who had made any sort of claim to hold down one of these places.  They bowler coming in at  9 is also almost impossible to call without knowing what the conditions will be for the first test but this would be the best I could come up with at this point.

Roy
Denly
Bell
Root
Butler
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Woakes/ Curran/ Rashid/ Wood
Broad
Anderson

As ever, our bowling options are considerable in our own conditions and the middle order looks strong.  The huge concern is the top 3.  Jennings and Burns look as bad as I have seen since Strauss retired and there isn't much left to come
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: LateBloomer on February 13, 2019, 07:03:47 AM
Ive commented before on the standard of journalism in Australia but this link provides a whole new level of tripe

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/england-inadvertently-hands-dollar100000-to-australia-after-west-indies-loss/ar-BBTw5If?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/england-inadvertently-hands-dollar100000-to-australia-after-west-indies-loss/ar-BBTw5If?ocid=spartandhp)

Ignoring the point about the world rankings impacting players before or during a series, which we know is total nonsense, how an Australian journalist can suggest their country could humiliate anyone else in the world after 3 of their players broke down and cried in front of the global media is beyond me. Quite astounded. I'll probably have to watch the Warner interview later to get over this
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 13, 2019, 08:43:38 AM
Ive commented before on the standard of journalism in Australia but this link provides a whole new level of tripe

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/england-inadvertently-hands-dollar100000-to-australia-after-west-indies-loss/ar-BBTw5If?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cricket/england-inadvertently-hands-dollar100000-to-australia-after-west-indies-loss/ar-BBTw5If?ocid=spartandhp)

Ignoring the point about the world rankings impacting players before or during a series, which we know is total nonsense, how an Australian journalist can suggest their country could humiliate anyone else in the world after 3 of their players broke down and cried in front of the global media is beyond me. Quite astounded. I'll probably have to watch the Warner interview later to get over this
The article is just the start of Pom bashing Aussie media happens every series
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on February 13, 2019, 08:47:08 AM
I see 3 spots up for grabs - 2,3 and the 3rd seamer (this could well depend on conditions though).

Burns has done enough to keep his spot and will probably score a stack of CC runs to warrant selection as well.
The rest pick themselves as per the the last test now they look set for Bairstow to keep and bat 7.
The only thing i think is whether Wood is the 3rd seamer in England - i think this could be him, Woakes, Curran, Archer, Stone, Porter, TRJ or even Leach if we want 2 spinners.

Then we come to 2 and 3 - which i think are very open - no way is Denly definate for number 3. He is the man in possession but he is off to the IPL and could carry the drinks for the whole time there, then might be in the World Cup squad (he is in the current ODI squad in WI), so then that means he won't play any (or hardly any) red ball cricket to state his case, whilst if someone else is hammering 800 CC runs, then he could lose the spot.

I posted this on another thread - it is England's/the summer's fixtures before the Ashes - it shows the changes everyone has of stating the claim for a place.

ODI's vs WI end - March 2
t20i vs WI end - March 10

IPL - March 23 - May 15 (latest) - England players will leave early

CC starts
Friday, April 5
Thursday, April 11

ODI's vs Pakistan in May
May 5 - 19 = T20i and 5 x ODI's

CC fixtures during -
Tuesday, May 14
Monday, May 20
Monday, May 27

World Cup: 30 May - 14 July

CC fixtures during World Cup -
Monday, June 3
Sunday, June 9
Monday, June 10
Monday, June 17
Monday, June 24
Sunday, June 30
Sunday, July 7
Saturday, July 13

Only Test vs Ireland
24-27 July, Four-day Test, Lord's

Ashes starts 1st August!

Obviously not everyone plays every date but that is 13 weeks of CC games before the Ashes starts to stake a claim in the side, because in theory if we do well in the World Cup it's conceivable that the guys that play white ball - only have the the 2 CC games in April to hit a red ball - unless they are at the IPL in which case they have none!

So for everyone putting Jason Roy's name out there he will probably have to be picked on his World Cup form.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Buzz on February 13, 2019, 09:10:42 AM
@six and out your post absolutely nails it.

It will be interesting to see who bats at three for Surrey this summer.
There will be a queue of eligible candidates. And Jason Roy won't be around.

Stoneman and Burns are nailed on to open, but Borthwick, Pope, Curran, Foakes, Elgar (won't be Elgar) will all have an eye on first drop.

Personally I would like to see Ollie do it. But that is harsh on Borthwick who has been decent at three.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: 19reading87 on February 13, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
I agree that Burns will still be the opener come the summer tests. I'd like Denly to stay at number 3 but as @six and out suggests, he might not be playing hardly any red ball cricket to keep him there.

People need to get out of the Jason Roy mindset of him opening, it won't happen in tests, and if it does it is likely to be at 3, where he did it for Surrey.

If you look at the Lions current team Max Holden is opening but has only done it a handful of times at county level as he's batted a lot down the order. Saying that, for a number of years they have been saying he's the next Cook - so I'd watch this space on him. Duckett is opening in India but seems to bat anywhere in the top 4 in the longer format. Should the selectors be looking at people who know the positions they are likely to bat?

Rob Key (yet again) made a good point on sky that the selectors should be looking at people who's technique is built for test cricket not their averages - if you didn't see it, he was referring to Vaughan and Trescothick, they average mid-low 30's when selected to play tests purely on the basis that they could play the quick moving ball.

A list of openers / top order I think could get a potential look in are,

Ben Slater - ended the season well with Notts could be a dark-horse.

Roy - as stated above, selectors might want to bring him in for the "X-factor"

Dom Sibley and Will Rhodes - with my Warwickshire hat on here but they can bat ALL day if needed and with solid techniques, playing Div 1 cricket this season regularly opening will be interesting. Can't see it but you never know...

Nick Browne - was having a decent season last year till breaking his finger in the nets, early season form again is key...

Sam Robson - Played tests, knows his game well??? Scores heavy...?

Adam Lyth - Similar to Robson above, played against the Aussies last time here so you'd have thought he'd have corrected his faults.

James Vince - Surely he couldn't get another go, could he??

Sam Northeast - if he stays fit, could the teenage prodigy finally come to the party???

Sam Hain - batting at 3 for Lions, as a Warwickshire fan he does snick off a lot in red ball cricket, a reason he's so successful in white ball is due to the gaps in the field. That being said you never know...

Billy Root - throwing a wild one into the mix here... recently moved to Glamorgan. Knows the dressing room well (obviously), Joe Root seems to have a say in the team selection - you just never know!!

Malan - one more chance...???

Alex Davies and Ollie Pope - Would they want to play yet another keeper batsman in the team - *** note Pope is keeping for the Lions in the current game ***

Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on February 13, 2019, 10:04:11 AM
@six and out your post absolutely nails it.

It will be interesting to see who bats at three for Surrey this summer.
There will be a queue of eligible candidates. And Jason Roy won't be around.

Stoneman and Burns are nailed on to open, but Borthwick, Pope, Curran, Foakes, Elgar (won't be Elgar) will all have an eye on first drop.

Personally I would like to see Ollie do it. But that is harsh on Borthwick who has been decent at three.

Thanks.

Yep it is very interesting who is going to get top 3 batting opportunities at the Div 1 counties - Surrey probably being the most intriguing - Borthwick is kind of the forgotten man, thrown in to an away ashes as a leggie when he's actually really a batsman and then completely forgotten about even though he's scores quite a few runs.

@19reading87 got in there with the probables i think - If you go through the everyone in the top order of each Div 1 side this year - taking out overseas - i reckon you also get some interesting names

Surrey - as per Buzz's post
Notts - Libby, Nash, Duckett, Slater & Clarke - there is also a lot of choice
Worcs - Mitchell, Fell
Hants - Adams, Wetherley, Vince, Northeast
Kent - DBD, Denly (maybe), Crawley, Dickson
Somerset - Trescothick, Banton, Hildreth
Warks - Sibley, Bell, Hain, Rhodes
Essex - Cook, Browne, Westley, Lawrence
Yorks - Lyth, Brook, Ballance, TKC

This doesn't include Division 2 however - eg. Gubbins, Holden, Robson, Hameed (possibly).

I have probably missed a few. But there is a few there that i think you can rule out straight away (eg. Trescothick), but there are also some interesting ones that maybe could come up on the rails if they have a flyer of a CC season start etc...
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: mattw on February 13, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I'd love to see Mitchell given a chance, not only has he scored runs consistently for a number of years at the top of the order - he's also got a safe pair of hands in the slips, which is something we've severely lacked in the series against WI. He can be our Rogers, there isn't anyone that's actually better than him in his position - forget about his age.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: 19reading87 on February 13, 2019, 10:37:16 AM
I'd love to see Mitchell given a chance, not only has he scored runs consistently for a number of years at the top of the order - he's also got a safe pair of hands in the slips, which is something we've severely lacked in the series against WI. He can be our Rogers, there isn't anyone that's actually better than him in his position - forget about his age.

I didn't mention him but would bloody love to see him given a go!!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: enlightened on February 13, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
We have plenty of depth in batting in the middle order. I'd play Roy as an opener and tell him to play like he does in limited overs. Some matches he'll be out cheaply in which case we're no worse off than with our current openers and the middle order will have to rebuild but in some matches we'll be 100-1 after 10 overs.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: DorsetDan on February 13, 2019, 10:47:03 AM
Does Malan get a look in?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 13, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
How on earth do people think Roy is in contention to open?

A bloke who can't get into his county side as a no.3 isn't going to be a successful Test match opener, is he...
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: 19reading87 on February 13, 2019, 10:50:51 AM
Does Malan get a look in?

Edited post ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on February 13, 2019, 11:55:36 AM
I think it will be interesting how Ed Smith sees Division 2 runs now, because for a long long time they have just been dismissed as almost worthless.

But with Worcs and Lancs getting relegated plus Middlesex still in Div 2, there is in theory a number of candidates for numbers 2 and 3.

Mitchell, Hameed, Davies, Malan, Robson, Gubbins, Holden etc....
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: DorsetDan on February 13, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
Edited post ;)

Very smooth :D Malan has to less left field than a lot of those other options
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: petehosk on February 13, 2019, 12:29:33 PM
I suspect the name nailed in will be below:

1. Burns
2.
3.
4. Root
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Foakes/Bairstow
8. Moeen/Leach (suspect that Ali will get the nod!!)
9.
10 Broad
11 Anderson

I think Woakes may get the 9 as he is normally pretty special in home conditions! Sam will be fighting for that position too.
2 and 3 - I suspect both will be decided on how the CC goes for the opening batsmen!! If they hit mega-runs (especially in Div1) then they will be looked at.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 13, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
How on earth do people think Roy is in contention to open?

A bloke who can't get into his county side as a no.3 isn't going to be a successful Test matcqqqh opener, is he...

There were similar reservations over Butler being selected and he plays even less red ball cricket than Roy
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 13, 2019, 12:41:05 PM
Very smooth :D Malan has to less left field than a lot of those other options

Malan, Stoneman and Vince could be in with a shout, Vince proved very frustrating but does have talent if he sort his faults out outside off...
 :)
But it's a number 2 really we need.Burns has his bat coming from gully to mid wicket....it's not great as @SD has pointed out, but he does score runs. Like anything technical, if you score runs no one mentions it, once you don't everyone brings it up.i think he is worth working with and given time.

Number 2... Ideally is Hameed, has the temperament and fits perfectly into side side around strokemakers...but he needs a good season behind him I think first, he's had two bad ones.

Stoneman is a genuine opener, he would be my pick.
Unless Cook reverses his retirement of course  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: enlightened on February 13, 2019, 12:43:59 PM
How on earth do people think Roy is in contention to open?

A bloke who can't get into his county side as a no.3 isn't going to be a successful Test match opener, is he...

Every chance he'll be as successful as the ones we've got.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: petehosk on February 13, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
Burns has been decent foro a few home seasons now. So I can't see any reason to consider anyone else for a home Ashes.
It may be a scenario that we start to pick half the Test team based on where the series is being played!! For example, in Asia Jennings as he plays spin so well.
Away in Aus, Woods may get the 3rd bowling gig as he may suit fast wickets better than Woakes/Curran!
I am not saying it is a great process, but it may come to that? Will be intertesting to see if Archer gets an Ashes call-up this year? I suspect he will definitely be in the squad at least!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: goodarmcindy on February 13, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
Burns has been decent foro a few home seasons now. So I can't see any reason to consider anyone else for a home Ashes.
It may be a scenario that we start to pick half the Test team based on where the series is being played!! For example, in Asia Jennings as he plays spin so well.
Away in Aus, Woods may get the 3rd bowling gig as he may suit fast wickets better than Woakes/Curran!
I am not saying it is a great process, but it may come to that? Will be intertesting to see if Archer gets an Ashes call-up this year? I suspect he will definitely be in the squad at least!

Surely picking the right players for the conditions is the best situation, though? Don't know why horses for courses gets such a bad reputation. Certain types of bowlers are more suited than others to certain conditions, just as certain batsmen are.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on February 13, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Surely picking the right players for the conditions is the best situation, though? Don't know why horses for courses gets such a bad reputation. Certain types of bowlers are more suited than others to certain conditions, just as certain batsmen are.

I think there has always been an element of picking bowlers for conditions, eg. 2 spinners in Asia. But picking specific batsman for conditions is a whole new thing.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: petehosk on February 13, 2019, 01:27:58 PM
I don't actually disagree. But it is not the norm and never has been.
The odd player change for the conditions, playing 2 spinners on dry wickets or just a part time spinner on a green wicket.
But to change half the team depending on conditions is an interesting concept. Test cricket becoming a science...... ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 13, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
Every chance he'll be as successful as the ones we've got.

On that logic you may as well pick any old player and just say "they can't do any worse".
In fact, why not pick a bowler and just put them in to open? They'd likely score just as well as the "specialist" ones we've tried recently...

Woakes (he has a Test hundred)
Rashid (several 1st class hundreds)
Dawson (1st class hundreds and provides a SLA option)
Curran (he's got a few 50's down the order so must be capable)
Leach (SLA option and has opened in a Test before)
Broad (has a Test hundred)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 13, 2019, 02:15:57 PM
Woakes !!!  :) :) :)

Pad up we are avin a bat
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: enlightened on February 13, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
On that logic you may as well pick any old player and just say "they can't do any worse".
In fact, why not pick a bowler and just put them in to open? They'd likely score just as well as the "specialist" ones we've tried recently...

Woakes (he has a Test hundred)
Rashid (several 1st class hundreds)
Dawson (1st class hundreds and provides a SLA option)
Curran (he's got a few 50's down the order so must be capable)
Leach (SLA option and has opened in a Test before)
Broad (has a Test hundred)

I explained my logic in my earlier post. Roy can be a destructive batsman and could really get us off to a flying start if he fires. If he doesn't then we're no worse off given the contributions of our 'specialist' openers in recent years. This would, of course, need some sort of insurance policy which at the moment is the depth of our batting options in the middle, lower order. Not quite the same as picking a bowler and asking them to open but if you want to pick another bowler then stick Bairstow in to open.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 13, 2019, 03:14:06 PM
In a game that lasts 5 days why do you need a flying start? I thought the Ashes was a Test series, not a T20 competition...

Picking Bairstow to open can only end badly, just look at the way he plays. I can imagine the new ball swinging nicely on the way through to rearrange his stumps!

Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: richyreed on February 13, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
I would love to see Max Holden have a good season and get in contention for a test place. He is too young and inexperienced to be thrown into an Ashes but maybe by next winter he might be ready. His resemblance to cooky is uncanny!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: enlightened on February 13, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
In a game that lasts 5 days why do you need a flying start? I thought the Ashes was a Test series, not a T20 competition...

Picking Bairstow to open can only end badly, just look at the way he plays. I can imagine the new ball swinging nicely on the way through to rearrange his stumps!

A flying start 50% of the time is better than a crap start 100% of the time. Bairstow has opened before and done OK as far as I can remember (which isn't far admittedly)!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Manormanic on February 13, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
This is a really tricky one because we are discussing it five plus months out - though hey, we love a good selection debate, right?

My thoughts, rather unstructured, are as follows.  We will go into the Ashes with our multi format players having played no more than two red ball games, one of which will be the banana skin test again Ireland.  I would therefore, personally, want at least two batsmen who are NOT part of the one day party as well as the obvious bowlers who are not.

I don't think there are many who are nailed on certs at this stage in the eyes of the selectors.  I would say Root, Stokes, Anderson and Broad are possibly the only four, with Buttler and Bairstow very strong probables.  I think myself that Archer has to be in there too.

From that start, you have to structure a side.  If Root were prepared to bat three, that'd be easy - but I don't sense that his objection to doing so is going to change, nor do I think that the more outre selections to open (I still think Buttler would have some merit, for example) will be considered.  So, either Bairstow returns to three - which is one, possibly two places too high, as hard as he worked on his technique post football injury.  Options therefore become:
1. Bairstow keeps and bats seven
2. Foakes keeps, and Bairstow/Buttler fight it out for one spot.

I think, at this stage, that we will favour green seamers for much of the series, playing to our strengths.  I don't think we'll go without a spinner, but I wouldn't be amazed if we considered it, and I think the side is likely to start something like Burns, AN Other, AN Other, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali or Curran, Woakes or Archer, Broad, Anderson.   Who the others may be will be up in the air, but names in the frame early season will be Denly, Malan, Stoneman, Hameed and Vince - sorry, its not innovative, but its true - with the possible bolters any of Warwickshire's top three who make a solid start and possibly Joe Clarke. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Manormanic on February 13, 2019, 04:33:41 PM
A flying start 50% of the time is better than a crap start 100% of the time. Bairstow has opened before and done OK as far as I can remember (which isn't far admittedly)!

To the best of my knowledge, he did it once - yes, it went spectacularly well in the context of that one game, but it would be a tactic born of hope rather than expectation, especially as he will get no more than two first class games before the Ashes begin. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: shadowlight on February 13, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
I do not know anything about his record, but why the fascination with Archer?  Is it because he shown potential?  A quick check of Cricinfo stats shows promise but he has only played 28 1st class games in 3 years and how many of those are 4 days v/s 1 day.  Will he be able to handle the work load of bowling 20+ overs per innings?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 13, 2019, 09:14:21 PM
Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: jonny77 on February 13, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

It is, but I rate Bairstows batting better than Foakes. So I think it's fair enough tbh.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 13, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
They can't seriously get rid of Foakes? He's brilliant!???
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: jonny77 on February 13, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
He's not better than Root, Butler, Stokes or Bairstow tho. So if these are 4 to 7, with Ali at 8 then where does he fit?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: shadowlight on February 13, 2019, 09:33:00 PM
Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

If that is the case Johnny has to be judged on current performance and if he keeps getting low scores he needs to be dropped and asked to go back to CC.  IMHO Foakes is the better keeper and the only thing keeping him out is mgmt perception that Johnny is better batsmen.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: LateBloomer on February 13, 2019, 09:33:49 PM
I do not know anything about his record, but why the fascination with Archer?  Is it because he shown potential?  A quick check of Cricinfo stats shows promise but he has only played 28 1st class games in 3 years and how many of those are 4 days v/s 1 day.  Will he be able to handle the work load of bowling 20+ overs per innings?

First Class cricket is multi day by definition. Top level one day cricket is in a different category - List A Limited overs. So the answer to your question is that none of those 28 matches are one dayers

He is tall, fast and moves the ball. Not sure what there isnt to like about that. As his First Class average of 23 indicates

Oh and hes a gun fielder and a more than handy number 9. I see him as the direct replacement for Stuart Broad in the next year or two.


Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

Disgusting treatment! I feel some sort of banner protest coming on at the Headingley Test  :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 13, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

If that's right that is tough , I like Bairstow but he has levelled out in the last couple of years, Foakes has potential to be high class.

Bairstow making it clear he wants to keep while Foakes had the gloves I thought a bit out of order, I think a culture is being created in the England set up which don't sound good to me.

Perhaps Kevin Pieterson was right all along  :o
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: shadowlight on February 13, 2019, 09:37:08 PM
First Class cricket is multi day by definition. Top level one day cricket is in a different category - List A Limited overs. So the answer to your question is that none of those 28 matches are one dayers

He is tall, fast and moves the ball. Not sure what there isnt to like about that. As his First Class average of 23 indicates

Oh and hes a gun fielder and a more than handy number 9. I see him as the direct replacement for Stuart Broad in the next year or two.


Thx for the information.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: shadowlight on February 13, 2019, 09:41:24 PM
Confirmation of Foakes not getting back in the test team - http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Manormanic on February 13, 2019, 09:58:31 PM
If I were Foakes, I'd be on the phone to Surrey asking to start the season at three!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 13, 2019, 10:18:33 PM
If I were Foakes, I'd be on the phone to Surrey asking to start the season at three!!!

Foakes at three pope 4

To keep the Roy brigade happy he can open when Burns is away
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 13, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
He's not better than Root, Butler, Stokes or Bairstow tho. So if these are 4 to 7, with Ali at 8 then where does he fit?

He averages 40

Bairstow in the same time high 20s low 30s

Who's the better bat currently
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 13, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
It's a disgrace. Screw the ECB and their nasty habit of messing players around. Poor guy! I'd declare allegiance for Ireland rather than England at the moment.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: dt-second-hand-cricket on February 13, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
Confirmation of Foakes not getting back in the test team - [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says[/url])

that was one depressing read...... Bayliss does seem like a bit of a dick in his interviews
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: edge on February 13, 2019, 10:52:37 PM
Confirmation of Foakes not getting back in the test team - [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says[/url])

I'm still absolutely livid about this.

On Jason Roy... I love the way everyone assumes that if he opened in tests he'd just try and bang everything over midwicket. Yes he'd be a punt given white ball stuff has stopped him playing much first class the past few years, but it's not occurred to anyone that he's quite a good player? With a better first class record than a lot of recent caps to boot. Pole position to play IF noone stands up in the county champs.

Nailed on for the first Ashes test... not many: Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow (ugh), Moeen, Jimmy. Broad is a strong likelihood so that leaves 1, 2, 3 and a third seamer. Good battle between Wood, Woakes and Archer for your third seamer spot. Burns is in as long as he scores runs for Surrey, which seems likely, so the most open slots are 2 and 3.

Who'll fill 2/3? Pretty much totally open season for the county season. Denly has a good head start if he can show a bit of red ball form, bizarrely if he makes the world cup squad he looks vulnerable to anyone making runs. Pretty much anyone in Div 1 could get the spot with enough runs, and probably some in Div 2. Even Keaton Jennings, don't bet against the same side lining up next test!

Possibly the most interesting prospect is the potential for an experimental lineup vs Ireland, could we see Anderson and Broad rested?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: liscon12 on February 13, 2019, 11:10:08 PM
Didn't we try Hales at the top of the order once upon a time, I see his name hasn't been mentioned again.

Roy is very much like Hales in that they are attacking in nature but what's to say Roy won't fall to the same issues of not being able to play the moving ball?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 13, 2019, 11:13:51 PM
Hales averages about 27 opening. 4 or 5 50s and narrowly missed out on a 100.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: edge on February 13, 2019, 11:16:58 PM
Didn't we try Hales at the top of the order once upon a time, I see his name hasn't been mentioned again.

Roy is very much like Hales in that they are attacking in nature but what's to say Roy won't fall to the same issues of not being able to play the moving ball?
Hales was pretty much entirely awful in tests, scored slower than Cook and dug himself into a hole most innings. Nothing to do with being attacking or the moving ball tbh, he just got it all wrong. Could have earned a second chance if he worked hard but decided to retire from first class cricket instead.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 13, 2019, 11:36:40 PM
Hales' average of 27 opening in tests is actually at the higher end of those who have opened the innings for England since Andrew Strauss retired, and is better than either Jennings or Burns have managed.  Root managed to average 41 opening, although given his refusal to bat at 3, it would be a fair assumption that he won't be putting his hand up to give it another go.  After that, the next best is Nick Compton at 31s.

Hales did have a real issue judging what to leave and what to play at on a 4/5th stump line but he did last longer at the crease than those who have followed him and made a far better fist if it than a number if supposed red ball specialists.

I struggle to think that any other leading test playing nation has struggled as much as we have to find a test match opener in the time since Strauss left.  Equally, I could never understand those advocating that it was time for Cook to go.  It was never clear to me how the struggle to find one opener was likely to be made any easier by the requirement to find another.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 13, 2019, 11:53:11 PM
On a different note, one thing that interests me is why a number of our top order batsman have such glaring technical problems but don't seem to be able to work to eradicate them.  It reminds me a bit of Shane Warne's comment about Monty Panesar not having played 50 tests, but having played the same test 50 times.

I was watching a master class with ABdV last year and he mentioned how early on in his test career he had a real problem against the moving ball and playing too far away from his body, so he had to go away and adapt so that he played more under his eye line.  He was basically saying that his technique was good enough for him to score the runs that would get him a test call up, but not good enough for him to score at that level.

The concern for me is that guys score runs in county cricket, get the chance to play test match cricket, get found out the higher level, go back to their county, score runs again then come back without having addressed the fundamental problem.  Balance still didn't get forward to full deliveries, Jennings still drives with all his weight on his back foot, Bairstow still plays across the line to anything straight and gets bowled.

During the last test Butcher and Key were discussing how the county schedule doesn't leave time for working on your game during the season and that too much cricket was being played.  However, it also seems to me that counties don't really have an incentive to invest in improving a player if he is successful at first class level.  I recall an interview Jason Gillespie gave when he spoke about Bairstow coming back to Yorkshire after being dropped by England and how they just wanted him to have the confidence of hitting lots of balls rather than having too much technical information floating around his head.  It worked for Yorkshire where he hit a weight of runs, but he had come back to England with exactly the same problems.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 12:43:32 AM
I do feel Compton was hard done by. Better than Jennings.

For the Vince supporters out there (I know you secretly love him), here's an article Wisden reposted today.  https://www.wisden.com/stories/stats-analysis/james-vince-unlucky-analysis-cricviz (https://www.wisden.com/stories/stats-analysis/james-vince-unlucky-analysis-cricviz)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2019, 09:26:55 AM
Foakes has been well and truly shafted by Bayliss the bellend!

Bairstow is a biffer who averages 30 odd and gets cleaned up a lot, while Foakes looks composed and like a proper test batsman, he also averages just over 40.

Remind me, who's the better batsman? ???

Can we pension bellend off early and get a decent coach in for the Test side before the Ashes? Someone who picks on merit, not the same old faces because he likes them
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on February 14, 2019, 09:53:52 AM
I agree that Foakes has been screwed over here.

As a keeper maybe i am bias but i always think having a proper keeper in the side can make that extra bit of difference in the field as well.

I will say that i still believe if Root was to grow a pair and bat at 3 then both Bairstow and Foakes could play in the same team.

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that as Bairstows ODI form has gone up (as he has opened the batting) his test form has gone down, and you can't get away from that.

For the people that don't know/haven't seen Jofra Archer - a few videos below -

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County (https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU)

Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
I agree that Foakes has been screwed over here.

As a keeper maybe i am bias but i always think having a proper keeper in the side can make that extra bit of difference in the field as well.

I will say that i still believe if Root was to grow a pair and bat at 3 then both Bairstow and Foakes could play in the same team.

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that as Bairstows ODI form has gone up (as he has opened the batting) his test form has gone down, and you can't get away from that.

For the people that don't know/haven't seen Jofra Archer - a few videos below -

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County (https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU)



Totally right, if Root batted 3 you could get both in. I'm afraid like others on here, this really sucks. It's not as if Foakes is a keeper and an average bat...you could say like read and foster, both superb but not at the level batting wise.

It seems Bairstow has the gloves regardless which is what he has always wanted. Not totally his fault of course.

Bayliff out
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 12:54:18 PM
If I came in as coach...

Root to 3, gloves off Bairstow & to bat 4/5(tell him to work hard to become England's best batsman and that the team owes him nothing)... Foakes to keep & become my new hero. I want Woakes right in the mix too, somehow.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Manormanic on February 14, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Yes, I think I would be similar, save I'm not too fussed about Woakes.

Did anyone interrupt their Bairstow bashing to note the even more egregious comment from Bayliss that he thought that might also be our Ashes 1,2,3?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2019, 02:02:46 PM
Yes, I think I would be similar, save I'm not too fussed about Woakes.

Did anyone interrupt their Bairstow bashing to note the even more egregious comment from Bayliss that he thought that might also be our Ashes 1,2,3?

If you mean the current 3 yes I read that plus he threw in vince and Jason Roy.
 Jennings is liked by England thatís clear but hard to imagine him opening in the ashes.
He needs a couple of months netting at Somerset with trescothick.basically he needs technical work and a lot of it. Perhaps more worryingly Bayliss said he already has had extra work with ramprakash.
We are in strange times thou with England
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: shadowlight on February 14, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
I am getting old and my memory is fading fast but at one point wasn't Jenning's being talked about future England captain.  How could someone be talked about future captain when the person in question is barely able to hang on to their position in the team.

Is it possible that someone in the background is still pulling strings about England setup, say Fowler?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: jonny77 on February 14, 2019, 02:18:36 PM
Is that his first class average, or his test average over a very short period? Averages can be used as an indicator but not the be all and end all. It's just an opinion, but I rate Barstows ability slightly higher as a batsmen. Not that I don't like Foakes, I rate him a lot but if it's a direct choice I'd take Barstow.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on February 14, 2019, 02:35:03 PM
Is that his first class average, or his test average over a very short period? Averages can be used as an indicator but not the be all and end all. It's just an opinion, but I rate Barstows ability slightly higher as a batsmen. Not that I don't like Foakes, I rate him a lot but if it's a direct choice I'd take Barstow.
Averages might not be the be all and end all but in Bairstow's case they paint the picture very clearly. Bairstow one good year(2016) he averaged 59 with 3 centuries. Whereas the remaining 40 odd Tests he averages 29. Bairstow's 2016 feats have clearly been overrated and furthermore should really be considered a fluke. Bairstow's is overrated...Massively
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 14, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
I would have Foakes in my side over Bairstow at the moment and I have been very unimpressed with the attitude Bairstow has displayed in the last 12 months.  That said I think some of the criticism of the selection decision has been over the top. 

Bairstow wasn't in line to be dropped when he missed 2 tests due to injury, and whilst Foakes couldn't have done any more than he had having been given the chance, it is too early in his career to say that he would be a better option with the bat.  My observation from which him in the CC and in his brief England career is that he is another player he plants in off stump than plays across the line.  Sri Lanka neither had the pace of bowler or pitch to exploit that but he found life much harder on the Windies.  We don't have the benefit of seeing these guys train, but those that do need to make a judgment as to who is likely to make more runs against a quick Aussie attack during the summer
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 06:09:12 PM
Foakes is still 25. He's not that early really in his career, and given that he is regarded as the best gloveman in England, isn't doing too badly. I really struggle to see how it you know he's the best gloveman, and he's scored a test ton already... How can you leave him out?

Ultimately I think we either needed Root to bat 3, or Bairstow to make it his own. He didn't...

We're kind of forgetting Anderson. Is this his last series?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 14, 2019, 07:27:29 PM
With his fitness and the way he's bowling can't see him calling it a day with England.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2019, 07:37:44 PM
He bowled well without much luck I thought, same for Broad. Jimmy looked a bit ragged at times but that may be doing a load of bowling and seeing us wiped out with the bat in half a day.

Looks fit thou and it's South Africa in the winter. worryingly he seems fitter than his potential successor CW.  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on February 14, 2019, 07:51:08 PM
Think Anderson is fading tbh, his speeds where down in the Caribbean aside from the first innings in Barbados and second innings in St Lucia. Better to retire on a high of winning the Ashes back, IIRC Anderson has won 4 Ashes(record for England is 5 Botham and Bell). Not much left to achieve after Ashes victory number 5
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 14, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
He bowled well without much luck I thought, same for Broad. Jimmy looked a bit ragged at times but that may be doing a load of bowling and seeing us wiped out with the bat in half a day.

Looks fit thou and it's South Africa in the winter. worryingly he seems fitter than his potential successor CW.  :)
w

Your right he looked ragged after the first test   England got the team wrong  he was  over  bowled in that  test.
Pretty confident he will win the Ashes for England with the Duke Ball.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
I tend to concur. I think he may well turn around if we win and decide enough is enough. Who could blame him?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: SD on February 14, 2019, 09:25:06 PM
I would be surprised if Jimmy was contemplating retirement.  Despite conditions not favouring kiss the deck swing bowling, he ended the series with a good return and the time he spent with Chris Silverwood remodelling his run up doesn't suggest to me to be someone about to call it a day 
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Kulli on February 14, 2019, 09:46:10 PM
In interviews he very much gives the impression that heíll keep playing until he just isnít good enough any more, and it feels like heís a long way from being shot for the moment.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2019, 10:14:55 PM
In interviews he very much gives the impression that heíll keep playing until he just isnít good enough any more, and it feels like heís a long way from being shot for the moment.

Yes but touch wood so far injuries have been managed, and hopefully it continues that way,similar to glen McGrath who seemed to stay fit thru all that bowling(apart from treading on that ball at Edgebaston!)

Broad by and large has avoided injury as well. I know neither play one dayers but they do a lot of bowling, we seem to play 10 months of the year.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 14, 2019, 11:25:56 PM
Broad is now 8th on the all-time wicket takers list.  :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: golders on February 15, 2019, 12:16:44 AM
Broad is now 8th on the all-time wicket takers list.  :D
Would be 7th if all his catches were taken off his bowling  :( :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 15, 2019, 12:29:19 AM
Would be 7th if all his catches were taken off his bowling  :( :D

I once had 35/6 catches dropped off me in one season as a young leggie. I might have played at a higher level if 20 of them had been taken   :D :D in my dreams!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on February 16, 2019, 09:27:26 PM
Just been thinking about how to solve our top-order question.

What happened to Dawid Malan, Adam Lyth and Sam Robson? They all have England centuries. I like Ballance but no-one else does...
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: AJ2014 on February 16, 2019, 09:49:21 PM
I once had 35/6 catches dropped off me in one season as a young leggie. I might have played at a higher level if 20 of them had been taken   :D :D in my dreams!
3 years ago 10 catches dropped in last 5 games, next season it started where it was left,
Then you got umpires who decide before inning is started not to give any lbw🙂
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: billyb on March 08, 2019, 07:40:16 PM
Ramprakash gone! Who's our next batting coach?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: ppccopener on March 08, 2019, 07:59:06 PM
That was on the cards our batting has been weak for a while
Thorpe hopefully we need a bit more Ďdogí in our approach to tests.

Thorpe had an attacking game plus the grit needed
He was a superb player
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on March 08, 2019, 08:51:41 PM
Oh, yes, here.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on March 08, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Sanga?
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Seniorplayer on March 10, 2019, 08:44:48 AM
Thorpe as the title lead batting coach so are they looking to bring in an Alister   Cook Geoff Boycott type coach
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on March 14, 2019, 02:09:21 PM
Australiaís forgotten paceman James Pattinson stepped up his bid for Ashes selection with a blistering performance against New South Wales. Aside from Cummins, Pattinson is probably their best bowler.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: mohawks94 on March 14, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
I reckon Pattinson will make the A tour ahead of the Ashes, maybe the final squad, but will miss out on actually playing any games. Imo Aussie pace attack will be Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and either Jhye Richardson or Peter Siddle.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: edge on March 14, 2019, 10:35:32 PM
I reckon Pattinson will make the A tour ahead of the Ashes, maybe the final squad, but will miss out on actually playing any games. Imo Aussie pace attack will be Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and either Jhye Richardson or Peter Siddle.
Australia aren't going to play 4 quicks though are they.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: HellomynameisJ on March 14, 2019, 11:02:06 PM
I'll go for England if Australia throw another game down the Peter Siddle drain. But good shout about Pattinson, he really Is the forgotten man of Australian cricket. A pretty capable batsman too, which gives him a distinct edge over Hazelwood.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: Mister Le Chiffre on March 15, 2019, 12:01:40 AM
Australia aren't going to play 4 quicks though are they.
Always best to have a few spares available considering how fragile the Australian quirks are.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: LateBloomer on March 15, 2019, 03:48:11 AM
Pattinson has always been Test class, without injuries he'd have played 50 Tests already. Also has the advantage over the other contenders of playing County Champs fairly recently. I dont doubt that Starc will take wickets but he will go for 4s & 5s all day and im not sure the Australian batting line up can afford that in English conditions

Some interesting batting cards in this round of Sheffield Shield with the Dukes ball. None of the maybe batsman hammering the door down and some actively harming their cases. Harris looked all at sea opening for Victoria and Patterson produced nothing for NSW

Was at Drummoyne Oval for the 1st day of NSW v Victoria and couldn't believe it was a first class fixture. Some of the dismissals were very soft. Lovely little ground though
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: stevat on March 15, 2019, 08:12:50 AM
Saw a bunch of highlights on the interweb of the Tasmania vs WA game, every time I see him bat I think Wade looks quality, is he not on the radar as a batsman? 
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 15, 2019, 02:57:04 PM
Saw a bunch of highlights on the interweb of the Tasmania vs WA game, every time I see him bat I think Wade looks quality, is he not on the radar as a batsman?

Not really a test quality batter

Been tried.. failed ...
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: strang on March 15, 2019, 04:20:29 PM
Wade has to be knocking.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: LateBloomer on March 15, 2019, 10:00:23 PM
Wade got told to go and score big runs by Justin Langer. Has been at the top of the sheffield shield runs most of the season and still not been picked. Elite Honesty

Not really a test quality batter

Been tried.. failed ...

A fair enough point except hes been replaced by Khawaja, Handscomb and the Marshes who you could say the same about. Particularly in England.



Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on March 15, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Wade got told to go and score big runs by Justin Langer. Has been at the top of the sheffield shield runs most of the season and still not been picked. Elite Honesty

A fair enough point except hes been replaced by Khawaja, Handscomb and the Marshes who you could say the same about. Particularly in England.

Canít disagree.. others have also now been tried., and failed.. bit like England really
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: rickjames on March 19, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
Nothing is sacred https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: liscon12 on March 19, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
Nothing is sacred https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980)
It'll just be like the County Championship then I guess. I wonder if this will now pave the way for more clubs to start putting names and numbers on the backs of white shirts? (queue awful nicknames)
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: alexhilly1492 on March 19, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Nothing is sacred https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47623980)

I actually dont mind this, will make it much easier to watch and know what players are where especially in regards to catches taken
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: edge on March 19, 2019, 02:01:39 PM
Extremely non-bothered by this. That said... if we're going to have numbers in tests then it absolutely has to follow rugby's lead and be numbered 1-11 based on batting position, none of this Root 66 nonsense.

@liscon12 years back I played for a side in a local parks league, the first time we got proper team shirts they decided to go for names/numbers as well. Got asked what number I wanted, nothing mentioned about names... shirt arrived with my first name on it!
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: alexhilly1492 on March 19, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
Extremely non-bothered by this. That said... if we're going to have numbers in tests then it absolutely has to follow rugby's lead and be numbered 1-11 based on batting position, none of this Root 66 nonsense.


Players will be given the choice of any number between 0 and 99

we may get Root 66 but at least there wont be Gayle 333 or Muralitharan 800 etc
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: liscon12 on March 19, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
Extremely non-bothered by this. That said... if we're going to have numbers in tests then it absolutely has to follow rugby's lead and be numbered 1-11 based on batting position, none of this Root 66 nonsense.

@liscon12 years back I played for a side in a local parks league, the first time we got proper team shirts they decided to go for names/numbers as well. Got asked what number I wanted, nothing mentioned about names... shirt arrived with my first name on it!

I take the same view as you Edge on the numbers should be 1-11 however I feel this wont be the case, batting positions can be swapped and changed all the time. Each player also gets their initials printed on the shirts, plus sizing will be different too, so its not as if you can just swap with a teammate if you are promoted up the batting order
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: edge on March 19, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
Players will be given the choice of any number between 0 and 99

we may get Root 66 but at least there wont be Gayle 333 or Muralitharan 800 etc
Farce.

@liscon12 Don't feel the need to go as far as to change numbers if a nightwatchman gets sent in! Just the order at the toss is fine.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: six and out on March 19, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
A journo made a good point on twitter about this.... that it may encourage a few more test white shirt sales, kids with Root 66 or Kohli 12 on their back, and that can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: richthekeeper on March 19, 2019, 02:54:49 PM
It'll just be like the County Championship then I guess. I wonder if this will now pave the way for more clubs to start putting names and numbers on the backs of white shirts? (queue awful nicknames)

We have this at our club, I was initially against it but 60+ players have bought shirts so I caved and got mine too.
Title: Re: Ashes 2019
Post by: cricketbadger on March 19, 2019, 06:22:58 PM
A journo made a good point on twitter about this.... that it may encourage a few more test white shirt sales, kids with Root 66 or Kohli 12 on their back, and that can only be a good thing.

Oh yeh as long as the big companies and brands sell a few more shirts, that's now all that matters?

Give over. (No Swearing Please) idea