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Title: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 25, 2019, 04:44:37 PM
You paid a lot of money for bat, but it never got a place in your heart? sitting there somewhere or sold on?
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Yorkershire on February 25, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
That AM pro bat with Ayrtek stickers...  :) as lovely as it is I prefer the GM and another non pro AM bat..

Probably because it was made for someone else and the other bats (bar the GMs) were made for me. Luckily it didn't cost me the earth.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: JB on February 25, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
Theyíre normally sat around for me. Iíve caved into pressure from the wife and weeded out 7 to sell. Could get rid of a few more but theyíre too good to sell for buttons!

Only used 2/3 bats in matches over the last couple of seasons
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Manormanic on February 25, 2019, 05:51:03 PM
For me, it was a M&H Distinction that I picked up in the IJC 30% off sale of legend.  It was, frankly, glorious.  It was bang on my weight, and picked up like a dream.  The middle was superb.  And I could not get on with it.  The lad who bought it from me emailed me a few months later to thank me having made nearly a 1000 league runs with it.

One of those occasions when we seperated where it wasn't her, it was definitely me! :)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 25, 2019, 05:58:00 PM
For me, it was a M&H Distinction that I picked up in the IJC 30% off sale of legend.  It was, frankly, glorious.  It was bang on my weight, and picked up like a dream.  The middle was superb.  And I could not get on with it.  The lad who bought it from me emailed me a few months later to thank me having made nearly a 1000 league runs with it.

One of those occasions when we seperated where it wasn't her, it was definitely me! :)
You're a legend, man, guess it's the fate!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 25, 2019, 07:24:04 PM
An affinity carbine was the last time i spent a decent wedge on a bat and was a total plank, pick up was rank as well, sold it via ebay a few years ago
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: velvetsky01 on February 25, 2019, 08:00:32 PM
A keeley Superior in the root profile literally the best pickup I have ever known in a bat the nicest looking grains and feel in the hands - however I just couldnít get on with it in a match I continued to get out in the same way in every innings I used it in so it went after I changed bats no more dismals at cover lol

I believe it was the pickup and the shorter length bat and handle may well had been in my head in the end
Such a shame as it was a beautiful bat
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: e4sby on February 25, 2019, 08:47:31 PM
Iím hoping my GM Stokes player edition doesnít fall into this category....

Was going to use it in winter nets but already bust 1 bat in the first session.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Maverick79 on February 25, 2019, 08:50:47 PM
A couple for me. First of all a GM Icon Ross Taylor players edition. Lovely profile and a decent pick-up for the weight but the dead weight played on my mind as it was a couple of ounces heavier than I normally used. Ended up selling it unused to retain some value but really wish I had given it a go.

Second was a Chris King made GN Maverick. Massive blade for the weight but just didn't get on with it at all. Used it in 2/3 net sessions and then sold it for barely half what I paid for it  :(
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: hazant0803 on February 25, 2019, 09:37:14 PM
 for me top of the line gm mana aussie ones as i scored a couple hundreds with a different bat when i swapped to the mana i was expecting some more but they just didnt ping or do anything to the ball
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Sitonit on February 25, 2019, 09:40:08 PM
Many times, I liked the pickup and balance of al-cheapo bats that fellow teammates own, and I don't feel that same goodness in a few of my own bats. It's probably a psychological effect? I don't know.

A friend has an old and beaten up kook (and I am never impressed by Kooks) but this one is an exception. I loved the feel and balance. So I took the scale with me this time. Weighted the bat, and it was right on the nose at 2 lbs and 10 Oz which is usually heavy for me.

This fellow does not like the bat, neither plays with it, but just keeps it in the kit bag. Many times I offered him cash but he won't let go. So this time, I offered him two good pricey bats and some cash, which sorta moved him.
So hoping that he falls for it.

I was batting low in the order and played with the bat that day. Easily hit 4 sixes in the last over which won us the match.
 
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 25, 2019, 09:41:22 PM
Iím hoping my GM Stokes player edition doesnít fall into this category....

Was going to use it in winter nets but already bust 1 bat in the first session.
Think you should never use your match or best bats in indoor nets, unless you've got replicas 😀
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 25, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
Many times, I liked the pickup and balance of al-cheapo bats that fellow teammates own, and I don't feel that same goodness in a few of my own bats. It's probably a psychological effect? I don't know.

A friend has an old and beaten up kook (and I am never impressed by Kooks) but this one is an exception. I loved the feel and balance. So I took the scale with me this time. Weighted the bat, and it was right on the nose at 2 lbs and 10 Oz which is usually heavy for me.

This fellow does not like the bat, neither plays with it, but just keeps it in the kit bag. Many times I offered him cash but he won't let go. So this time, I offered him two good pricey bats and some cash, which sorta moved him.
So hoping that he falls for it.

I was batting low in the order and played with the bat that day. Easily hit 4 sixes in the last over which won us the match.
Can we call this bat chemistry?
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 25, 2019, 09:50:08 PM
Cricket is a strange thing, but we pick up a cricket bat and start imagining, how far a ball will be hit with it
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Sitonit on February 25, 2019, 10:14:44 PM
Can we call this bat chemistry?

Probably.
And this time I closely analyzed that bat, and I guess it's the handle. It's looks a lot heavier than in other regular bats. You can tell straight up that this is quite a heavy handle.

Perhaps the proportion of blade's weight and handle weight is different than in other bats with regular thin handles, and this is what makes it feel pretty awesome in hands?
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 25, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
For me it was a H4L NV

Lovely shape, lovely pickup and I used it throughout the winter  nets to find the ping was great.
Then I broke my thumb while batting with it in the first outdoor training session of the season. It wasn't the bats fault, but I never quite got on with it the same after that  :(
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: vibrate on February 26, 2019, 04:53:50 AM
I picked up a Gray Nicolls Gold off a team mate. Beautiful bat felt amazing but just couldn't get on with it sold it to another team mate and the same happened to him so he got rid of it.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Buzz on February 26, 2019, 07:54:10 AM
I prefer to think of the opposite position, when you aren't sure about a bat then use it...
I have a couple of examples, my SAF Genus which I scored a mountain of runs with, but never really liked (!) And I was very sceptical about my BB hulk. Then I used it...!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: JTtaylor145 on February 26, 2019, 08:08:11 AM
I had this at the back end of last season.

I bought an M&H Amplus from the Outlet and scored 3 50's with it in the last 3 matches of the season and then promptly sold it on eBay for a considerable loss.

I just didn't love the bat maybe it was the SSource that bothered me deep down inside  :)



 
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 26, 2019, 09:32:14 AM
picked up a special H4L Devil (look like a pro) so didnt cost the earth

lovely bat pings well fantastic pick up just never got on with it
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Kulli on February 26, 2019, 09:58:45 AM
Picked a Salix Prśsanthia from a selection of clefts and gtot to follow it being made by photo, lovely looking bat and felt great. Never scored me any runs though so it go passed on to a teammate that racked up heaps before it blew a shoulder.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: brokenbat on February 26, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
Salic SLX Finite that was ďtoo niceĒ to use, and NB DC 1080 LE that I got when I was infatuated with Steve smith (now in sale section)!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on February 26, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
I prefer to think of the opposite position, when you aren't sure about a bat then use it...
I have a couple of examples, my SAF Genus which I scored a mountain of runs with, but never really liked (!) And I was very sceptical about my BB hulk. Then I used it...!
Think it makes sense as well, obviously if you've good earned money for it, if it doesn't work then sell, it's price wouldn't bother you for sure
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: goodarmcindy on February 26, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
Had this with a Salix at the back end of the 2017 season. On paper had everything I would have asked for, but it just didn't feel right. Sold for a loss on eBay.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: billyb on February 26, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
I had a Salix that was beautiful but never used it. It felt/looked too good to use, honestly. Like a piece of art :)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on February 26, 2019, 07:58:13 PM
I prefer to think of the opposite position, when you aren't sure about a bat then use it...
I have a couple of examples, my SAF Genus which I scored a mountain of runs with, but never really liked (!) And I was very sceptical about my BB hulk. Then I used it...!
I completely agreed! I had a B3 that I picked up from eBay. It was used by Mullaney himself. I picked it up and didnít like how it felt. I put it in selling pile but one day I gave my match bag for refurb and decided to use it for my match, I hit huge sixes with it simply by placing the ball. I always keep it in my bag even if I donít use it.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: alexevo94 on February 26, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
I completely agreed! I had a B3 that I picked up from eBay. It was used by Mullaney himself. I picked it up and didnít like how it felt. I put it in selling pile but one day I gave my match bag for refurb and decided to use it for my match, I hit huge sixes with it simply by placing the ball. I always keep it in my bag even if I donít use it.

You got any pictures of the B3 you speak of 😉
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on February 26, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
You got any pictures of the B3 you speak of 😉
I am not good at posting pictures on forum but I can send you directly.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Northern monkey on February 26, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
Most expensive bat I had, was an absolute stunner of a bat
Unfortunately the circumstances and brand I got it from, totally ruined the bat for me, I just had no affiniti with it.
It didnít help it was way over my usual weight and picked up like a piece of lead
First bat I re profiled and managed to get a little better,,,,scored a few runs with it, before it started to split in two
Managed to cut it down and pass it onto our 1st team captains daughter to use.

Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Jaffa on February 26, 2019, 09:21:02 PM
I've still got an unused Stan kranzbuhler bat. With my normal weight being 2,8 - 2,10 it is just too heavy for me at 2,13ish.

With my match bat working well and another one just like it coming along in the nets I've no need just yet to thicken the handle and balance it out (which has worked for me it the past). Odd that.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Chad on March 05, 2019, 12:38:30 AM
I have many bats that cost more than £300, some even £400 - which haven't touched a ball except for tapping up. Some Halestorms, SG and SS Players edition bats, L&W Signature and Reserves. Recently acquired some Kippax Sancta Grails. Have some H4L Custom Grade bats. Aus GN bats. A Phantom Players PS7 Pro grade and 2 Dark Editions.

This is a < £200 TK made Phantom which is in the Dark Edition shape with a slightly shorter blade and longer handle. I have fallen in love with it and will probably be my match bat. I got this like 2 or 3 years ago, prepared it and didn't use it. I only used in the last match of the season, when my arms tired after using a Warner Kaboom for 15 overs. Felt right from the first ball faced. It's meant to be G2 performance, but 7 pretty clean and straight grains, so could pass as G1. Goes to show that more money doesn't mean a bat that suits you better!

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/20190304_234811.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/20190304_234811.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/20190304_234821.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/20190304_234821.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 05, 2019, 08:24:12 AM
Knowing that you've got big amount of bats, how do you know feel about the ones that you've touched yet but paid a lot of money for them? Do they not feel good any more in your hands or you've changed batting style? I'm sure they're truly high quality bats, this one looks grade 1 as well 🙂
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: LBWCandidate on March 05, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
I bought a Laver Wood Signature which felt good and looked amazing but could not get going with no bow profile. Could hit too many shots in the air and I only play T20 now.
Maybe it was mental. Finally sold it on eBay.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on March 07, 2019, 01:13:52 PM
It's difficult to hit 6s with a bat with no bow, at least that's what they say
🙈
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: jonny77 on March 07, 2019, 01:22:27 PM
It's difficult to hit 6s with a bat with no bow, at least that's what they say

Whoever says that is having you on or had been given very wrong information!  :D
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: edge on March 07, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
IJC, Paul says that a bow helps hitting in the air, easier to clear the rope
Without wanting to be too harsh, IJC Paul is (not unusually) talking rubbish.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: JB on March 07, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
I had a lovely Affinity Polaris, the rebound was fantastic but it had no bow. I really struggled because of it. The bat was superb I just couldn't get over how straight it was and ended up moving it on
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 02:24:18 PM
And he says bow helps work bat's pickup, find no reason not to agree with him
That happened to me with one of the older models gm, even though that was high quality bat but couldn't get over no bow
Guess majority of batsmen are using bowed bats, some less some more
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: LBWCandidate on March 07, 2019, 02:56:19 PM
It's difficult to hit 6s with a bat with no bow, at least that's what they say

I think it was the batsman rather than the bow.  ;)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 03:00:59 PM
I think it was the batsman rather than the bow.  ;)
I agree! Itís all psychological. Bow/ no bow doesnít bother me as much. I have tried 10 different brands in last 2 years and they were all fine.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: jonny77 on March 07, 2019, 04:23:15 PM
Coming back to the game after years out i find a lot of it difficult to agree with tbh, think most of it is psychological. Just never bothered anyone a few years ago.

The 'counterbalance' handle, the 'can't get on with the shorter blade/longer handle set up' etc. But the 'bow helps to clear the infield' is just ridiculous. Even the 'low middle for front foot play' is a bit daft tbf imo.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: stevat on March 07, 2019, 04:38:07 PM
Coming back to the game after years out i find a lot of it difficult to agree with tbh, think most of it is psychological. Just never bothered anyone a few years ago.

The 'counterbalance' handle, the 'can't get on with the shorter blade/longer handle set up' etc. But the 'bow helps to clear the infield' is just ridiculous. Even the 'low middle for front foot play' is a bit daft tbf imo.

I remember a while back I had a team mate who had a white sheet affixed to the front of a net bat so he could determine where on the blade he was striking the ball.  He thought that you manoeuvre the bat with your hands in such a way that you regularly hit the ball with the same part of the bat (or hope to as ideal given your hand-eye coordination) - and thus thought that low middle bats were useless to him as he hit the ball higher up the blade.  Wouldn't matter if the pitch was low, as he would adjust automatically without thinking about it.  Guess what I'm saying is that there's always been fads, as you get older you get used to a particular shape and pick up - so long as it goes okay you're fine.  I wonder though how many people on here may have gone through a rough patch now and then and thought about switching to something different, i.e. blaming the tools rather than the workman???
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: ppccopener on March 07, 2019, 04:50:55 PM
Yes totally right, I can see how a bow might aid pick up but not to clear the infield, thatís just an odd thing to say. Itís come full circle on bat faces thatís all, back in the 80ís they were flat, then a period of big bows, now a lot of manufacturers sell flat blades and a lot of the pros use them-GM for example are most if not all flat.

As for low or high middles rather than the wickets we play on maybe your stance and if you have low or high hands would be just as important.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: JB on March 07, 2019, 05:02:00 PM
Coming back to the game after years out i find a lot of it difficult to agree with tbh, think most of it is psychological. Just never bothered anyone a few years ago.

The 'counterbalance' handle, the 'can't get on with the shorter blade/longer handle set up' etc. But the 'bow helps to clear the infield' is just ridiculous. Even the 'low middle for front foot play' is a bit daft tbf imo.

I used a Warbird Pro I've got in the nets on sunday gone, found myself going hard at everything. Changed it after 20 balls for a standard SH
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
Flat, no bow, bats are garbage. There, I said it.

Today's biggest hitters use bowed bats. I own a bat that was made for Chris Lynn and not only does it have a huge bow but also has the most aggressively forward set handle I had ever seen!

I tried using flat bats but don't get the elevation for clearing the rope. If you only on a fast outfield and like hitting the ball on ground, sure, use a flat bed. They are great for boring style of cricket which is already going out of style.

Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
There were 3 youngsters with their new bats at yesterday's indoor nets,
1 gm noir 808, 2.11lb
1 gm diamond original, 2.9lb
1 other make, lower middle, for me that felt heavy for 2.9lb
But all there different profiles
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 05:18:55 PM
There were few things I was thinking about those young batters,
The one who chose gm diamond, as he's an opener, right profile and lighter bat, as he had been using 2.11lb, which I thought was heavy, at that time
2.9lb with lower middle, plays for 1st and 2nd XIs, at no.10 or 11, as he scored few runs last year, I wondered why he chose for this profile?
Other with noir 808, he's an aggressive batter and doesn't matter where bats, and plays a lot of his shots in the air, skyers, I thought mid high profile would be more suitable to him game, but he thinks differently,
What's you guys think of this?
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: edge on March 07, 2019, 06:11:06 PM
@AJ2014 profile choice purely depends on where you hit the ball and how you like to bat - no reason an aggressive player should have a higher middle. 

I was wondering when @InternalTraining would arrive... let's be honest, there's only one valid reason to choose a bat with a bow, which is "I like bats with a bow". It's a good reason, but there aren't any other ones!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
^ :D

Only reason people prefer flat bats is tradition and the sport of Cricket of full of useless traditions.

All Kranzies are bowed. Why is that?

All Keeleys are bowed. Why is that? Their pros use bowed bats too. Why is that? Keeley pressed bats are as good as they get and yet others ( for instance, "performance free") can only press flat/straight bats. Things that make you go hmmmmm...

Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 06:47:56 PM
Flat, no bow, bats are garbage. There, I said it.

Today's biggest hitters use bowed bats. I own a bat that was made for Chris Lynn and not only does it have a huge bow but also has the most aggressively forward set handle I had ever seen!

I tried using flat bats but don't get the elevation for clearing the rope. If you only on a fast outfield and like hitting the ball on ground, sure, use a flat bed. They are great for boring style of cricket which is already going out of style.
That is just your opinion. Most past greats didnít use any bats like how we use today. They had bats which were flat with mostly 20 mm edges and 45 mm spine. They still score centuries, hit huge sixes and batted on bigger boundaries. As a player, you should be able to adopt to any condition and any equipments.

I have often seen people blaming their bats for pre calculated/mistimed shots. They also blame their bats for getting bowled, LBWs or stump. How is it bat fault if you donít know how to use your bats?
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 06:51:06 PM
They still score centuries, hit huge sixes and batted on bigger boundaries. As a player, you should be able to adopt to any condition and any equipments.

First of all, the number of sixes that are hit today far exceeds the number of sixes that were hit in the past. There is no comparison!

Second, even if the boundaries are shorter, the balls are landing much further out as in those sixes would be considered sixes anywhere. Fitness levels are better but so are the bats.

Bringing up the past is basically , again, singing the "tradition is good" song.

Old bats v/s new bats, c'mon. :D There is no comparison.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 06:52:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOlaSVoGVrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOlaSVoGVrw)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 06:58:47 PM
First of all, the number of sixes that are hit today far exceeds the number of sixes that were hit in the past. There is no comparison!

Second, even if the boundaries are shorter, the balls are landing much further out as in those sixes would be considered sixes anywhere. Fitness levels are better but so are the bats.

Bringing up the past is basically , again, singing the "tradition is good" song.

Old bats v/s new bats, c'mon. :D There is no comparison.

As far as number of sixes are concerned, the balance between bowling and batting is simply one sided. Cricket has become batsman sport unlike before. Also, please show me the comparison of sixes between test and ODI/test. Your comparison is flawed when it comes to number of sixes.

Bow is just psychological! You either have it or you donít as a player. Bow wouldnít make you any better.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 07:08:14 PM
Also, please show me the comparison of sixes between test and ODI/test. Your comparison is flawed when it comes to number of sixes.


Here is a quick search. Top 5 six hitters are all modern batsman with modern bats. :D

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html)

Viv used a bowed bat.

Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 07:09:14 PM
Can someone with experience in Statsguru search for number of 6s hit in the 80, 90, and 2000s. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: ppccopener on March 07, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
Here is a quick search. Top 5 six hitters are all modern batsman with modern bats. :D

[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html[/url] ([url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html[/url])

Viv used a bowed bat.




Love to see photographic evidence of Viv using a bowed bat, the one of his in the Lords museum is flat, as in dead flat.
 :)
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Today, batsmen, even in lower leagues hit huge 6s and they keep doing that in one innings, obviously it depends on many things, one of them is having a bat that gives you confidence that if you go for a big shot, you're likely to achieve max results
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 07:31:28 PM
More importantly in 70s and 80s, most of the bats were flat, if I remember correctly gm diamond was a bit bowed, while many of Asian brands were more bowed, think CA started that trend.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
Love to see photographic evidence of Viv using a bowed bat, the one of his in the Lords museum is flat, as in dead flat.
 :)

For Viv, I'd make that exception. He could do it with a flat bat. He could do it with a swimming pool noodle if he wanted. Viv was the man!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: jamesisapayne on March 07, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
To be fair almost all of the top 10 are players who had a very aggressive game and an attacking mindset to hit 6s in test matches, thats more than half the battle.

99% of the players before the mid/late 90s didn't have the same mindset so the numbers are bound to be lower.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
Other thing is how huge were those big 6s in those days? Only a handful of batsmen who could hit ball out of the stadium!
Mate does hitting 6 define you as a batsman? Look at Sachin, Kallis or Sanga runs to sixes ratio. Bow or no bow doesnít make you a better player. Your skills, temperament and execution makes you a better batsman.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on March 07, 2019, 08:45:57 PM
Brad man hit 6 sixes in his entire career and I hear he wasnít too shabby 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: AJ2014 on March 07, 2019, 09:23:42 PM
Would Bradman top 10, T20 or 50 overs tables? trends have changed, you wouldn't want to watch top class batsmen running singles and doubles, with 4s here and there, our lives are too fast, many a times I feel that even 20 - 20 games are dragging, even they only last for 3 hours.
Tendulkar's mindset was different, plus he used most of his career 3lb plus bats, there for there were strokes he wasn't able to execute,
most of the times he scored his runs quickly, so his 4s compesated for 6s he didn't score, people were more interested in his 50s and 100s than anything,
most of his test 100s are scored in team's 1st inning, when there's less pressure
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: edge on March 07, 2019, 09:55:01 PM
Here is a quick search. Top 5 six hitters are all modern batsman with modern bats. :D

[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html[/url] ([url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html[/url])

Viv used a bowed bat.

Right, never mind the fact that this is a ridiculous way of arguing that bowed bats hit more sixes... Let's have a look at that list, you really don't help yourself.

Which of these bowed monsters is responsible for the massive hitting?
Mccullum's Puma?
(https://english.cdn.zeenews.com/sites/default/files/2015/04/11/345408-brendon-mccullum-csk-bat-ra.jpg)

The famous Millichamp blades of Gilchrist? (enormous photo)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19591&stc=1&d=1320028149 (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19591&stc=1&d=1320028149)

Even Gayle's is hardly off the straight...
(http://www.everyday-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/chris-gyle.jpg)

Kallis?
(https://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2197/e744367d49404fdb824d5c5f21dba880.jpg)

Expected Sehwag's bat to be hugely bowed tbf, but... (https://im.rediff.com/cricket/2015/oct/20sehwag2.jpg)

I could go on... Flintoff: https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/englands-andrew-flintoff-with-his-broken-bat-on-the-fourth-day-of-the-picture-id828753522 (https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/englands-andrew-flintoff-with-his-broken-bat-on-the-fourth-day-of-the-picture-id828753522)
Cairns: https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aug-1999-chris-cairns-of-new-zealand-bats-during-the-fourth-test-picture-id1240916?s=612x612 (https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aug-1999-chris-cairns-of-new-zealand-bats-during-the-fourth-test-picture-id1240916?s=612x612)

But you get the point, this is daft. I like bowed bats, they feel much nicer in the hands in my opinion. They make no difference though, the middle is in the same place after all.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: jonny77 on March 07, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
Getting sense from the blokes who usually talk sense and not much from those that don't  :D There's some strange ideas on here at times, good fun though listening to them and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Gonna get myself a bowed bat and make the T20 world cup squad!
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Contrails on March 07, 2019, 10:25:55 PM
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I tried using flat bats but don't get the elevation for clearing the rope. If you only on a fast outfield and like hitting the ball on ground, sure, use a flat bed. They are great for boring style of cricket which is already going out of style.

I have two Lavers.  One with a flat face and bowed blade with a more Subcontinent Profile (Mid swell).  The other almost flat with a traditional Profile (mid to low swell).  They are both at different weights - 2.08 and 2.11.  One has 11 grains and the other 6 grains. One oiled and other with just a face sheet.  Two completely different bats.  And I have hit sixes with both of them!  I have had team mates borrow the Traditional flat bat and hit some big ones with it too.  I think Ping and Body strength make a bigger difference than Bowed or Flat profile.

Funny how we get older, T20 becomes more boring and Test/ODI becomes more enjoyable to watch and play.  Style and timing over slogging any day for me. 

Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: FattusCattus on March 08, 2019, 07:36:42 AM
I would imagine technique and power have the most to do with sixes.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Sitonit on March 09, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
I would like to have a bow so deep in my bat that it might just look like a wooden harvesting sickle.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: jayralh on March 09, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
Your cuts should be shots to watch then
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: Sitonit on March 09, 2019, 08:46:32 PM
Your cuts should be shots to watch then

Yep, it will deceive the fielders quite nicely.
The will all look to point position but the ball will cross the boundary line on long off.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: SD on March 10, 2019, 12:24:42 AM
Would Bradman top 10, T20 or 50 overs tables? trends have changed, you wouldn't want to watch top class batsmen running singles and doubles, with 4s here and there, our lives are too fast, many a times I feel that even 20 - 20 games are dragging, even they only last for 3 hours.
Tendulkar's mindset was different, plus he used most of his career 3lb plus bats, there for there were strokes he wasn't able to execute,
most of the times he scored his runs quickly, so his 4s compesated for 6s he didn't score, people were more interested in his 50s and 100s than anything,
most of his test 100s are scored in team's 1st inning, when there's less pressure

Bradman wasn't a classical batsman, he was a bottom hand dominant player who favoured the leg side.  Not quite as ungainly as Steve Smith is today, but not far off.  He scored a lot of his runs quickly and I have no doubt he would have adapted to playing limited overs internationals.
Title: Re: Expensive bats that never
Post by: InternalTraining on March 22, 2019, 11:10:14 PM
But doesn't mean that Bradman would've used an old tooth of a cricket bat. He'd use the modern bats with nice bows. Flat-bats are old technology. Embrace the modern age of cricket bats, people. Resistance is futile.