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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #150 on: October 13, 2016, 11:48:50 AM »

Would take woakes every time!

Worst player was Ali, 11runs and 1wicket

Worse than Woakes  66 runs for 0 wickets ?
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #151 on: October 13, 2016, 11:52:11 AM »

Worse than Woakes  66 runs for 0 wickets ?


Scored six times as many runs and hit the ones to win the series  ;)
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #152 on: October 13, 2016, 11:58:20 AM »


Scored six times as many runs and hit the ones to win the series  ;)

And he has been our best bowler a few times recently. But obviously bowlers don't bowl well on all surfaces!
I just think we are very lucky to have Stokes and Woakes, as they are both genuine all-rounders!
Ali would bowl ok on certain surfaces although he looks out of form with the bat at the mo!
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #153 on: October 13, 2016, 12:01:59 PM »

Controversially:

Roy
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler
Billings
Rashid
Woakes
Wood
Plunkett/Willey/Ball


I like your team Manic.....but much as we love YJB your really leaving out Morgan for him.....Duckett and Billings need to be in, now we(England) are on the right patch we got to keep going.

With Morgan....yes professional sport is ruthless sometimes but our style has changed completely from the last world cup, and thank god it did, he is massively influencial in this and can change a game on his day...

not easy to pick a side at the moment with new guys doing well.... :)
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2016, 12:05:44 PM »

Controversially:

Roy
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler
Billings
Rashid
Woakes
Wood
Plunkett/Willey/Ball

You're gonna leave out a lad that's averaged nearly 70 in ODI cricket this year, bit harsh.
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2016, 12:26:09 PM »

Reckon they'll let us use that old 'Super Substitute' rule? That means we can pick 12!
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #156 on: October 13, 2016, 12:31:14 PM »

Reckon they'll let us use that old 'Super Substitute' rule? That means we can pick 12!

anyone saying 2 years ago we would have too many good players to pick 11 in a one-day game would of been carted off in a white coat.  :)
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #157 on: October 13, 2016, 01:20:44 PM »

I like your team Manic.....but much as we love YJB your really leaving out Morgan for him.....Duckett and Billings need to be in, now we(England) are on the right patch we got to keep going.

With Morgan....yes professional sport is ruthless sometimes but our style has changed completely from the last world cup, and thank god it did, he is massively influencial in this and can change a game on his day...

not easy to pick a side at the moment with new guys doing well.... :)

Yes, I would, and I shall tell you for why (touching on the Hales situation and Ali as well in the process).  The side I've listed above has the dynamic range that England have been looking for, with a wide range of batting styles and guys capable of scoring heavily down to 9 - ten if Plunkett or Willey take the last bowling slot. 

With Stokes as the fifth front line bowler and Buttler keeping, that leaves five batting slots - Root is in, so Ali, in most conditions, can be spared.  You then need two openers, a four bat and a seven.  Roy has done nothing wrong and is our most explosive early option.  I think Hales is good, but has been found out a little now that he is being asked to be the one who builds an innings and as a result has become rather hit and miss, so I would go with Duckett who adds the right/left dynamic and a wider angle of strokes. 

So two from Morgan, Bairstow and Billings.  Bairstow is, for me, the best number four of the lot - he can build an innings or destroy an attack and, crucially, he has done so with consistency over the past two to three years, which allows for the occasional risk taker around him.  He is also our best fielder.  Morgan has played the odd great knock but right now, putting him at four would be a selection based on the Mike Brearley principle.

Down to Morgan vs Billings at seven.  This one was tough - but in my view Billings has more options and room to develop (and is our second best fielder) so I went that way, knowing that Ali would pinch this spot in spinning conditions. 

You may not agree, but its hardly an unreasonable analysis!
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #158 on: October 13, 2016, 01:24:19 PM »

What is interesting is the strength of my second XI (save that I've played my first four keepers in the ones...).  If we give Plunkett the last spot in the first side:

Hales
Bell-Drummond
Westley
Malan
Morgan
Davies
Ali
Borthwick
Jordan
Willey
Ball
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #159 on: October 13, 2016, 02:12:48 PM »

Yes, I would, and I shall tell you for why (touching on the Hales situation and Ali as well in the process).  The side I've listed above has the dynamic range that England have been looking for, with a wide range of batting styles and guys capable of scoring heavily down to 9 - ten if Plunkett or Willey take the last bowling slot. 

With Stokes as the fifth front line bowler and Buttler keeping, that leaves five batting slots - Root is in, so Ali, in most conditions, can be spared.  You then need two openers, a four bat and a seven.  Roy has done nothing wrong and is our most explosive early option.  I think Hales is good, but has been found out a little now that he is being asked to be the one who builds an innings and as a result has become rather hit and miss, so I would go with Duckett who adds the right/left dynamic and a wider angle of strokes. 

So two from Morgan, Bairstow and Billings.  Bairstow is, for me, the best number four of the lot - he can build an innings or destroy an attack and, crucially, he has done so with consistency over the past two to three years, which allows for the occasional risk taker around him.  He is also our best fielder.  Morgan has played the odd great knock but right now, putting him at four would be a selection based on the Mike Brearley principle.

Down to Morgan vs Billings at seven.  This one was tough - but in my view Billings has more options and room to develop (and is our second best fielder) so I went that way, knowing that Ali would pinch this spot in spinning conditions. 

You may not agree, but its hardly an unreasonable analysis!

it's perfectly reasonable and difficult to argue with.......
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #160 on: October 13, 2016, 02:53:07 PM »

Bairstow doesn't merit selection in that ODI. All of the current middle order players are better than him and more dynamic. Bairstow needs to show he's actually able to play on slower lower pitches. He's pretty hopeless against spin.
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #161 on: October 13, 2016, 04:52:06 PM »

Bairstow doesn't merit selection in that ODI. All of the current middle order players are better than him and more dynamic. Bairstow needs to show he's actually able to play on slower lower pitches. He's pretty hopeless against spin.
I disagree his performances prior to this tour meant he was the next cab off the rank to replace Morgan, I don't see that has changed after 3 matches.
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Re: England v Bangladesh ODI series
« Reply #162 on: October 13, 2016, 05:43:32 PM »

I'd rather have Duckett or Billings ahead of Bairstow, not sure why he's been getting in ahead of Billings anyway in all honesty. Can't really compare their ODI stats as none have played that many games (not that Bairstow's record in ODIs is all that good), but both Billings' and Duckett's List A stats are in a different league to Bairstow - he doesn't make it in as a specialist batsman.
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