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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2013, 03:31:48 AM »

Not sure if someone has already answered this, but have often wondered why is there such a price difference between Harrow size and SH (given the fairly small differences in dimensions).
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2013, 04:46:19 AM »

Hiii friends

Was just wondering if there is any other difference then that of hieght in harrow and short handle bats.....

As I am 5 feet 8 and I am getting GN LEGEND harrow at 175  GBP...as compared to 400 gbp short handle....quite a difference for 3/4 Inch.

As there are many retailer friends in here.....help me guys...

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hey mate did you buy the GN legend in the end, was thinking of doing the same myself (buying 175 GBP GN Legend) and wanted to know how you got on with it, in case you bought.
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2013, 06:46:28 AM »

I always buy harrow bats, and im 6ft 2in. It may sound crazy at that height but I've always held the bat right at the top, with some of my glove peaking over, so essentially, it is the same as someone my size playing a SH with a conventional low placed grip. What i see is with the little bit off the width of the bat and the toe, more meat goes where i want it to while still maintaining a 2lb 5oz to 2lb 7oz weight. This could be attributed to the fact that i require a light blade as my hands are very quick, but i also need substantial meat for my slaps down the ground and i feel harrow bats fit that criteria. I reckon if you hold it high up, harrow's the way to go, but if you hold it at the bottom, that saved $150 won't be worth it , however at your height, i'd go harrow either way. One disadvantage is that every once in a while i miss the crease when turning for a run but that usually ends up with me getting one less run, so no biggy.
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2013, 08:03:32 AM »

I always buy harrow bats, and im 6ft 2in. It may sound crazy at that height but I've always held the bat right at the top, with some of my glove peaking over, so essentially, it is the same as someone my size playing a SH with a conventional low placed grip. What i see is with the little bit off the width of the bat and the toe, more meat goes where i want it to while still maintaining a 2lb 5oz to 2lb 7oz weight. This could be attributed to the fact that i require a light blade as my hands are very quick, but i also need substantial meat for my slaps down the ground and i feel harrow bats fit that criteria. I reckon if you hold it high up, harrow's the way to go, but if you hold it at the bottom, that saved $150 won't be worth it , however at your height, i'd go harrow either way. One disadvantage is that every once in a while i miss the crease when turning for a run but that usually ends up with me getting one less run, so no biggy.
I'm not the only one! :D
Another point I make is that the blade is at most 5mm narrower, that may sound a lot but when you think about it, that's virtually nothing off each edge. An you tend to try and use the middle of the bat anyway so the difference is so small you don't notice when using it.
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2013, 02:16:38 PM »

What an interesting topic. Kinda miffed that I missed this.

I am 5ft 8, and when I was looking into getting bats made I fell into the borderline of harrow or SH. I went for the SH because I just want to feel taller. Also I am super strong, HENCH all day long, so a 2.7 or less would be ridiculous I think in my hands. 2.10/2.11 is what I feel comfortable with. 2.9 is when I want speed any thing less and it's almost like I don't feel the bat (odd I know)

So not really sure if there was a definate answer on here but can harrow bats get heavier?
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2013, 02:30:26 PM »

What an interesting topic. Kinda miffed that I missed this.

I am 5ft 8, and when I was looking into getting bats made I fell into the borderline of harrow or SH. I went for the SH because I just want to feel taller. Also I am super strong, HENCH all day long, so a 2.7 or less would be ridiculous I think in my hands. 2.10/2.11 is what I feel comfortable with. 2.9 is when I want speed any thing less and it's almost like I don't feel the bat (odd I know)

So not really sure if there was a definate answer on here but can harrow bats get heavier?

Custom made ones could be made heavier I'd imagine. Can's see a lot of kids using a 2.11 bat though so you might want to invest in some lead tape to make one heavier  :)
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2013, 02:33:37 PM »

Custom made ones could be made heavier I'd imagine. Can's see a lot of kids using a 2.11 bat though so you might want to invest in some lead tape to make one heavier  :)

I guess the price only plays a part if I am going for off the shelf bats, if I get one of the sponsors I guess I would be paying the same price as a normal SH.

Edit: just saw the RPC custom for 190 instead of 280, food for thought.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 02:36:49 PM by Krs »
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2013, 02:37:52 PM »

It all sounds rather promising, might take a punt on the GMs in Harrow at Pro Direct, can always return them if no good.

GM Epic Original LE 95
or
GM ICON Original 80

Decisions, decisions.
Also, sorry Asad but I will never buy a Newbery product again.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 02:41:20 PM by billyb »
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2013, 02:41:01 PM »

It all sounds rather promising, might take a punt on the GMs in Harrow at Pro Direct, can always return them if no good.

GM Epic Original LE 95
or
GM ICON Original 80

Decisions, decisions.

You might as well buy both mate, still half the price one of the mentioned bats in short handle ;)

I don't know how good Pro Direct would be, but when I bough my Harrow Octane I asked for one in 2lb7 in the special comments when I ordered and got that exact weight.  :D
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2013, 02:41:11 PM »

I guess the price only plays a part if I am going for off the shelf bats, if I get one of the sponsors I guess I would be paying the same price as a normal SH.

Maybe you want to try a SSH bat? Just an idea I've been thinking of, as I feel the extra handle length does mean the handle sometimes hits my top hand wrist, but I think this may be due to the technique rather than anything else. I'm 5 8-9, and I imagine I'm near 5 10 if I'm wearing trainers and my insoles, so a SH bat shouldn't cause too many problems. Does anyone know if the bat manufacturers factor in shoes, or are their recommendations based on height without shoes?
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2013, 02:44:29 PM »

Maybe you want to try a SSH bat? Just an idea I've been thinking of, as I feel the extra handle length does mean the handle sometimes hits my top hand wrist, but I think this may be due to the technique rather than anything else. I'm 5 8-9, and I imagine I'm near 5 10 if I'm wearing trainers and my insoles, so a SH bat shouldn't cause too many problems.
Can't help on the shoes Chad, but if the handle is hitting your wrist you could try cutting the top of the handle off (leaving a bit so the binding doesn't come off the top).
A couple of guys at my club always do this as soon as they buy a new bat and they've not had a problem caused by doing it yet.
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2013, 02:46:48 PM »

Maybe you want to try a SSH bat? Just an idea I've been thinking of, as I feel the extra handle length does mean the handle sometimes hits my top hand wrist, but I think this may be due to the technique rather than anything else. I'm 5 8-9, and I imagine I'm near 5 10 if I'm wearing trainers and my insoles, so a SH bat shouldn't cause too many problems. Does anyone know if the bat manufacturers factor in shoes, or are their recommendations based on height without shoes?

I am pretty sure it is factored in without shoes. The height of shoes vary so much between brands that it would never give a customer the right measurement. To be honest I have never noticed any issue with standard SH blades, maybe I am just used to it.
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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2013, 02:48:26 PM »

The height charts from the manufacturers are just guides. They aren't even consistent. The Gray Nics one we have on one wall is noticeably different to a GM one we have elsewhere.

As i said, they are guides, they can only advise on a suitable bat based on overall height. They do not factor in someones limb length. 2 kids at 5 foot tall may need totally different sized bats if one of them has really long legs and/or arms.

The best way to decide if a bat is the correct size for you is to get advice from a batmaker/retailer/coach like me (i'm not a batmaker but you know what i mean) when you are younger, parents appreciate this input as mostly they don't know much! As you get older into your late teens you can start to decide exactly what you like.

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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2013, 02:50:14 PM »

I recall seeing a Harrow bat that MSR had on ebay a year or so ago which was 3.1, so you can occasionally find heavy or very heavy ones. They got one on ebay at the moment at 2.11 if someone was interested.

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Re: Harrow vs short handle....
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2013, 02:57:57 PM »

The height charts from the manufacturers are just guides. They aren't even consistent. The Gray Nics one we have on one wall is noticeably different to a GM one we have elsewhere.

As i said, they are guides, they can only advise on a suitable bat based on overall height. They do not factor in someones limb length. 2 kids at 5 foot tall may need totally different sized bats if one of them has really long legs and/or arms.

The best way to decide if a bat is the correct size for you is to get advice from a batmaker/retailer/coach like me (i'm not a batmaker but you know what i mean) when you are younger, parents appreciate this input as mostly they don't know much! As you get older into your late teens you can start to decide exactly what you like.

Lol everything about me is short! Youth pads and gloves. Opps! Maybe I should look at harrow haha (say this after 350 spents on bats) opps
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