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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2014, 10:16:37 PM »

What does Vaughan know anyway? He only scored runs against players who are bad
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2014, 10:18:45 PM »

You bumped a two month old thread for that? Lol.
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2014, 10:24:54 PM »

Hmmm... Vaughan's most successful series was the 03 Ashes in Australia against the invincible Aussies with their legendary bowling attack including Warne and McGrath... Yeah, they were crap weren't they!?
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2014, 10:32:55 PM »

177 against McGrath and warne. Bad players......

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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2014, 07:09:29 PM »

Vaughan had one good series...

Aside from the 2002/03 Ashes the only other time he scored 500+ runs in a series was against a pop gun Indian attack in 2002(English summer)
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2014, 07:22:08 PM »

Vaughan was not as good as people say he looked good in a very average England side, an average of 41 is okay by today's standards not outstanding. Hes now just become a rent a gob who says ridiculous things to stay in the public eye and relevant.
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2014, 07:46:50 PM »

What he did do was captain the team very well against Australia in 2005...
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2014, 07:50:18 PM »

What he did do was captain the team very well against Australia in 2005...

He got a group of players playing as a team, integrating new players and head strong ones and getting the best out of them individually and as a group.

Something flower can learn from :(
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2014, 07:55:04 PM »

He was a drop catch away from loosing the ashes. KP was in his first series so the ego was only just starting. Flintoff was in his prime as a bowler. Batters scored runs. Would not say he captained the side either good or bad. Did ok and was lucky with that drop catch and also other luck throughout that series.
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2014, 08:02:43 PM »

He was a drop catch away from loosing the ashes. KP was in his first series so the ego was only just starting. Flintoff was in his prime as a bowler. Batters scored runs. Would not say he captained the side either good or bad. Did ok and was lucky with that drop catch and also other luck throughout that series.

Few sides do well without the rub of the green to be honest.
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2014, 12:40:50 AM »

Few sides do well without the rub of the green to be honest.
Absolutely true.  Sides can do well without 'ball tampering' which was since confessed by members of the 05 england team.  Wasnt their only method of cheating in that series either...... icc should have investigated englands conduct in that series....
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2014, 03:20:17 AM »

Absolutely true.  Sides can do well without 'ball tampering' which was since confessed by members of the 05 england team.  Wasnt their only method of cheating in that series either...... icc should have investigated englands conduct in that series....
Hmmm. Watch out what you wish for. I suspect the ICC should probably have investigated most series of the last 30 years based on what was said about that one...

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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2014, 02:01:19 PM »

He was a drop catch away from loosing the ashes. KP was in his first series so the ego was only just starting. Flintoff was in his prime as a bowler. Batters scored runs. Would not say he captained the side either good or bad. Did ok and was lucky with that drop catch and also other luck throughout that series.

Can agree with much of that Kieron, however, much like the London Olympics, many English players peaked for this particular series.

Flintoff had his greatest series...he was incredible in a way that we rarely saw before and never saw again afterwards.

Simon Jones was simply brilliant. Whatever the confessions of the mints making the ball reverse, Jones mastered it in the deadliest manner that has never been seen before or since. Incredible.

Strauss made two key centuries.

Harmison and Hoggard were both just past their best, but still contributed at key moments.

Trescothick was barnstorming in this series as he would rip into the new ball with relish. Genuinely sad that this fine player never scored an Ashes ton. Deserved one.

Pieterson arrived in style.

Vaughan made a great 166 in the middle of the series that ultimately prevented an Aussie victory.

The series was on a knife edge at all times and provided great entertainment.

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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2014, 02:50:42 PM »

Vaughan won more tests as England captain than anyone else and got the best out of a good number of his players.  Yes, his batting suffered for it, but he remains one of the most elegant of a recent generation and his calendar year of 2002 was simply superb.

His captaincy stats alone probably give him the right to say what he likes - I personally feel he needs to reel his neck in at times but opinions sell newspapers.  He understandably wants to carve a career in the media and being slightly outspoken has made many a livelihood for ex-cricketers.  I prefer the more measured approach, a la Atherton, Agnew, but each to their own.

Amongst the impetuous comments there are some excellent columns where his opinions on managing players and getting the best out of them are great insights into successful team dynamics and winning matches.  He's young to the trade (of writing and commentating) so I'm prepared to give him some slack while he finds his most-suited style.  certainly I feel he has a lot of knowledge that maybe Cook should be tapping into...
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Re: Michael Vaughan and his big mouth?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2014, 03:04:23 PM »

michael vaughan what a shot




He did give us this piece of cricket porn....
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