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RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie

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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2014, 05:34:11 PM »

Local sport is in terminal decline, anyone that thinks otherwise is deluded. Clubs are dying out rapidly and 'big' clubs who just horde youths (for the cash) are being short sighted. Yes it's great for them to have millions of teams but who are they going to play?? If all the small clubs die out, you will be left with just a few 'big' clubs.. So it'll be team a 3rd xi vs team b3rd xi... Then next month they'll play again as they'll. it be enough in the league.

As for 'big' clubs givin better coaching etc.. I believe that is also a pr load of crap (also with all the club,ark/focus club stuff). Clubs have youth sections for one primary reason, money. It's easy money. He coaching is basic and only the odd one may get actual coaching as most are run by dads etc.. So aren't actual coaches (and the ability of most coaches are over rated, most are purely childminders really).

So, whilst some clubs and their players will congratulate themselves on having 5xi's and numerous kids teams... How many of those kids get genuine coaching ? How many get a genuine game ? How many keep playing ? Etc etc.. I suspect more Jnrs drop out proportionally from big clubs than the smaller more focused ones.

Just my 2p's worth from someone without a club ego or agenda.

From my own clubs point of view, we have started a 3rds this year, startin youth next year, play 2 Sunday games every week (never been short), never been short on sats and have been leaving out at least 4 each week so I am asking for a 4ths next year. We play t20 cup on. Tues, t20 league on weds and play civil service cups, county cups and lots of touring games,

I'd say it's a strong club BECAUSE it's not got an ego or pretentious ambitions.. Or pay players which a lot of club players actually don't agree with. Only 1xi players do as it digs them out the dirt
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2014, 06:54:07 PM »

Please tell me where my club is going wrong?? We certainly don't make huge cash out of our youth section once everything is added up!
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2014, 06:56:29 PM »

Who stole the fun out of cricket?  :o
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2014, 07:11:47 PM »

Who stole the fun out of cricket?  :o
Teams do it to themselves....it's like being a regular in a local pub - you moan about the lack of atmosphere then complain when somebody new walks in......
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2014, 07:12:53 PM »

Please tell me where my club is going wrong?? We certainly don't make huge cash out of our youth section once everything is added up!

Each Jnr pays what, 50 for the season??  Coaching costs nothing (as it's usually a dad or two), the wickets prepared anyway, they don't have teas etc.. So really, the only costs are any elec, water which is peanuts. The coachin kit they use is usually there anyway too.

So if you run u11's, 13's,15's then you are raking in at least (assume there are 15 in each squad)... So that's what, 2250. Now, you aren't telling me those three Jnr sides get 2250 worth of value?

No, the big clubs use this to fund paying players, paying overseas, funding first team egos etc 

I've only played this game for 4 seasons and when I talk to other people (current and older), there seems to be a general agreement that people can't enjoy the games as much now as there is far more aggression now. Competitiveness is separate to aggression.

All I can say is that I've not ever been an ego at this game, I've seen the bad side of big clubs and egos in other sports and the amateur game seems to be following amateur football and if you look at the stats...both sports (amateur crixket) is in serious terminal decline. Women's cricket is growing  it is kids crixket growing?? I'd say probably not since it really caught on post 2005.

I love this game, I wish I'd played it when I was young etce. I'm just a realist and actually want to both improve actual standards for all and not bury my head in the sand behind a few paid players etc. Big clubs are great and you will always have the haves and have nots but for mass participation, the game needs a drastic rethink if it is to stop the decline and keep/capture people bk playing given the change of modern lifestyles
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2014, 07:17:20 PM »

Ade, you are way off the mark in terms of the costs of running youth cricket.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2014, 07:25:45 PM »

Ade, you are way off the mark in terms of the costs of running youth cricket.

Maybe, maybe not. Accounts from various clubs I've seen suggest not. I hope you are right though. I can only say what I have seen.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2014, 07:28:06 PM »

We have at our club an u17s, u15s, u13s, u11s and 2 u9s teams.

We do not have a club pro(banned in our league)
We do not pay any first teamers(again banned in our league)they all pay subs


Major costs in last 3 seasons. 1 new electronic scoreboard, paid for by change jar at club, took full 3 seasons, and a donation of 200 quid from a non named player to finish it.

New gang mower, which we bought second hand, with a known fault as we cannot afford a new one. Again this was paid for by change jar, first team fines, and a few donations.

We have to pay like that as all money from memberships goes into the general running off the club, with nothing left over.

I'm not sure where on earth you get the idea that juniors are a "cash cow" for clubs.


Infact to accomoadate juniors into adult cricket we have a 3rd team, with which we have to hire a pitch to allow the 3 r&d team to play, this is not cheap, and teas, a scorer and an umpire, and the 3rd team makes a weekly loss. One we subsides with the players in the 1st and 2nd xi volunteering to pay 10 a week subs rather than 8 the club asks us to pay, so we actually break even for the weekend!


It has been noted at the amg, that without our own bar and sales, the club would actually fold.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2014, 07:30:11 PM »

agreed for the reasons above and for the reasons you pointed out yourself ade in the post about starting a team.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2014, 07:39:43 PM »

our club has about 25-30 juniors that come to training. they pay 15 for their whole season of junior cricket. the team is run by one of the parents. they get a few drinks and snacks at games and a couple of trophies at the end of the season. im not sure the club actually gets any money out of running a junior section.

it does give us players for the future of the club which is why we run it. i think this year 10 of our colts have played for the adults team and more will play next season.

our club made a profit of 30 last season and are not paying anybody involved with the club any money at all. we needed a new ride on gang mower last year so the groundsman bought one out of his own pocket and fixed it up over the winter. the club are now paying him off in installments which will probably go on for another couple of years
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2014, 07:43:28 PM »

I don't know of any clubs that make a profit out of their junior sections. Most clubs profits come from bar takings, fund raising, sponsors, subs etc. Bath for example make the majority of their money from their car park in the city. All this money is then ploughed back into the club for the benefit of their members. After all cricket clubs are not a profit making organisation.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2014, 07:50:09 PM »

Ah good, it's not just us missing a trick  ;)
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2014, 07:58:05 PM »

I know of one youth section contributing 6k to the club finances and heard about another generating 15-20k. Wish I could remember who! Doesn't take a genius to work out 50 x 200 colts (5 youth teams, maybe two girls teams) equals 10k. That's before social, fundraisers etc. I'm not saying that's typical but many clubs have decent colts numbers.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2014, 07:59:32 PM »

There is a difference from making money and making a profit though.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2014, 08:01:14 PM »

If we tried to charge 50 a year membership for juniors we wouldn't have any! Far too much competition in our local area to get away with that
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