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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2014, 08:05:39 PM »

If we tried to charge 50 a year membership for juniors we wouldn't have any! Far too much competition in our local area to get away with that

That's why clubs do clubmark/focus clubs and get in with the local district and county stuff.. Gives them the selling points to parents.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2014, 08:05:50 PM »

Somebody had a great idea in a league topic a while back. It was to limit big clubs to 2 league sides. The idea being that the better players would be spread around clubs or risk playing a poor level of club cricket, or bigger clubs could take on a smaller club and use that as a feeder team, if they wanted to play more than 2 teams in a league at a good standard.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2014, 08:11:03 PM »

Somebody had a great idea in a league topic a while back. It was to limit big clubs to 2 league sides. The idea being that the better players would be spread around clubs or risk playing a poor level of club cricket, or bigger clubs could take on a smaller club and use that as a feeder team, if they wanted to play more than 2 teams in a league at a good standard.

A few of us ventured this idea, limit teams to only 2 adult league teams, and one youth team in each age group..

Unsurprisingly those from big clubs hated it and those from smaller ones liked it
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2014, 08:15:53 PM »

Would be harsh on the big clubs that had invested lots of time and money in facilities etc only to be told they could not attract the best players. A
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2014, 08:21:58 PM »

Our nearest competition have multiple level 2 and 3 coaches as part of their club and much more modern facilities than us. Junior membership is free there.
Maybe it's just the area we are in where kids/ parents are spoiled for choice but I can't see anyone around us making any cash out of their youth section
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2014, 05:46:37 AM »

The youth element has to be encouraged to keep a club growing or at least existing.
I personally feel, the playing of friendlies where half the teams made up of youngsters is key

The transition from youth age group cricket to adult cricket has to be introduced as soon as possible.
It's not an easy thing to manage , but I think that's where a lot of clubs miss out
The children have to realise that the age group teams are just a start
The goal is to play adult cricket at as high a standard as they can

The focus has to be on playing competitively but not aggressively
Football is a joke these days,, I really don't want to see cricket spoilt by the same things that have dragged football down

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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2014, 02:35:10 PM »

The main reason that clubs have a junior section is that they understand that without a youth section you can't maintain a steady influx of new players into the Senior teams. If it also helps the club finances that is a bonus, which to be honest it should, 50 juniors mean potentially 100 parents for social fund raisers alone.
To me it beggars belief when clubs complain of declining membership, but don't run a junior section. Where do you think all the new senior players are going to materialise from? Are they relying on recruiting players that have previously been juniors elsewhere?
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2014, 08:41:27 PM »

Local sport is in terminal decline, anyone that thinks otherwise is deluded. Clubs are dying out rapidly and 'big' clubs who just horde youths (for the cash) are being short sighted. Yes it's great for them to have millions of teams but who are they going to play?? If all the small clubs die out, you will be left with just a few 'big' clubs.. So it'll be team a 3rd xi vs team b3rd xi... Then next month they'll play again as they'll. it be enough in the league.

As for 'big' clubs givin better coaching etc.. I believe that is also a pr load of crap (also with all the club,ark/focus club stuff). Clubs have youth sections for one primary reason, money. It's easy money. He coaching is basic and only the odd one may get actual coaching as most are run by dads etc.. So aren't actual coaches (and the ability of most coaches are over rated, most are purely childminders really).

So, whilst some clubs and their players will congratulate themselves on having 5xi's and numerous kids teams... How many of those kids get genuine coaching ? How many get a genuine game ? How many keep playing ? Etc etc.. I suspect more Jnrs drop out proportionally from big clubs than the smaller more focused ones.

Just my 2p's worth from someone without a club ego or agenda.

From my own clubs point of view, we have started a 3rds this year, startin youth next year, play 2 Sunday games every week (never been short), never been short on sats and have been leaving out at least 4 each week so I am asking for a 4ths next year. We play t20 cup on. Tues, t20 league on weds and play civil service cups, county cups and lots of touring games,

I'd say it's a strong club BECAUSE it's not got an ego or pretentious ambitions.. Or pay players which a lot of club players actually don't agree with. Only 1xi players do as it digs them out the dirt

I agree the big clubs tend to drag juniors to their clubs from the smaller clubs then spit them out when they don't fit the bill making many lose a love for the game and never play again. it is all about money. clubs pay a lot of money for average cricketers to play for them and find every way possible to fund it never mind the consequences. In my coaching experience since finishing playing I have dealt with many clubs that have struggled for numbers and quality input. I try and work on a 3 year cycle with these clubs with the view it takes at least one season to get the current club members to buy into it and enjoy it and in turn attract new members without chasing them just by reputation, then by the third year you have a great following and the club is prospering because everyone has bought into the regime and they have a bigger membership success on the field. through experience now I know the majority of clubs then think they have achieved and then don't require your services even though you have had great input with seniors and juniors alike and then you see the club decline over the next three years and then they go back to wanting to employ average players again to try and make a quick fix. If you have proper coaches who care and a club that understands that its not all about playing in the premier that matters its about what you provide people and families as a club. yes we all want to win and with patience and by doing the right thing the club will prosper both on the field socially and  financially because everything goes hand in hand. I know a lot of clubs play prem but have poor membership and low finances because what they bring in goes straight out again on players. there are a couple of clubs in this area that will have way over 10k wage bills and then sum to win a 1000 if they win the prem. is that good business sense? not in my mind yet I know clubs in division 2 3 and 4 who are financially flying because they have great family support membership and social events and are in a position to move forward with 9 or 10 in their first team coming through the junior ranks. that is what cricket is about, its about people friends and enjoying all those peoples success as well as your own.             
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2014, 11:38:47 PM »

I agree the big clubs tend to drag juniors to their clubs from the smaller clubs then spit them out when they don't fit the bill making many lose a love for the game and never play again. it is all about money. clubs pay a lot of money for average cricketers to play for them and find every way possible to fund it never mind the consequences. In my coaching experience since finishing playing I have dealt with many clubs that have struggled for numbers and quality input. I try and work on a 3 year cycle with these clubs with the view it takes at least one season to get the current club members to buy into it and enjoy it and in turn attract new members without chasing them just by reputation, then by the third year you have a great following and the club is prospering because everyone has bought into the regime and they have a bigger membership success on the field. through experience now I know the majority of clubs then think they have achieved and then don't require your services even though you have had great input with seniors and juniors alike and then you see the club decline over the next three years and then they go back to wanting to employ average players again to try and make a quick fix. If you have proper coaches who care and a club that understands that its not all about playing in the premier that matters its about what you provide people and families as a club. yes we all want to win and with patience and by doing the right thing the club will prosper both on the field socially and  financially because everything goes hand in hand. I know a lot of clubs play prem but have poor membership and low finances because what they bring in goes straight out again on players. there are a couple of clubs in this area that will have way over 10k wage bills and then sum to win a 1000 if they win the prem. is that good business sense? not in my mind yet I know clubs in division 2 3 and 4 who are financially flying because they have great family support membership and social events and are in a position to move forward with 9 or 10 in their first team coming through the junior ranks. that is what cricket is about, its about people friends and enjoying all those peoples success as well as your own.             

I so agree with your outlook. Wish you lived near chelt Paul.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2014, 08:36:00 AM »

Paul we are trying to do this at my club, bring through the youth players with good coaching and good values. We play in the Essex league and some of the wage bills other clubs in our league are paying are ridiculous 20k plus! We only pay travel costs for those players who came through our youth ranks and are currently at university, so they can come back to play every Saturday. Every winter we have other clubs calling our best players to join them for money, fortunately we haven't lost any players as yet, i think mainly because of the way we run our club. And don't get me started on mercenaries who call clubs during a season looking for a club next season  >:(
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2014, 10:48:18 AM »

It drives me mad. People still ask me to pro. I am coming up 46 and play rarely. Sadly not wanting to blow my own trumpet but could still do a job which is not testament to my cricket skills it's a marker point for the quality of a lot of the cricket played now. But the games I have played I have payed my match fees like everyone else paid my annual subs like everyone else and them people still get on my back accusing me of taking money to player cricket, purely because it is just expected now and secondly it's obviously what they would do if offered as opposed to turn it down, even umpires have accused me of it. I do have words to say to them about it. People are not doing this for the right reasons. In Derbyshire the top teams are the ones full of ex pros and a current pro and then good old club players who are clinging on just to play with the ex pros and then people to make the numbers up. If it was me I would bring in a stipulation that 6 out of the team have to be under 26 and then for everyone over that number that's older you will lose so many points each game it happens. This will give the chance of the ex pros who want to keep taking money from the game to be spread around the league instead of all at the most affluent and then the clubs to play on a regular basis the younger players along side the senior good club players and grow as a club not as a bunch of mercenaries who when the money stops bugger off to the next club who's going to pay them. If I ran a league I would have a rule that you can't pay players that are not ex county or first class cricketers. I know clubs would give backhanders but the rule would be there and if found out they would be relegated two divisions. That would stop it straight away because the clubs that clammered to be at the top wouldn't want to be down in div 3 and they would then have to to start putting the work in and giving something back to the game
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2014, 07:16:02 PM »

It drives me mad. People still ask me to pro. I am coming up 46 and play rarely. Sadly not wanting to blow my own trumpet but could still do a job which is not testament to my cricket skills it's a marker point for the quality of a lot of the cricket played now. But the games I have played I have payed my match fees like everyone else paid my annual subs like everyone else and them people still get on my back accusing me of taking money to player cricket, purely because it is just expected now and secondly it's obviously what they would do if offered as opposed to turn it down, even umpires have accused me of it. I do have words to say to them about it. People are not doing this for the right reasons. In Derbyshire the top teams are the ones full of ex pros and a current pro and then good old club players who are clinging on just to play with the ex pros and then people to make the numbers up. If it was me I would bring in a stipulation that 6 out of the team have to be under 26 and then for everyone over that number that's older you will lose so many points each game it happens. This will give the chance of the ex pros who want to keep taking money from the game to be spread around the league instead of all at the most affluent and then the clubs to play on a regular basis the younger players along side the senior good club players and grow as a club not as a bunch of mercenaries who when the money stops bugger off to the next club who's going to pay them. If I ran a league I would have a rule that you can't pay players that are not ex county or first class cricketers. I know clubs would give backhanders but the rule would be there and if found out they would be relegated two divisions. That would stop it straight away because the clubs that clammered to be at the top wouldn't want to be down in div 3 and they would then have to to start putting the work in and giving something back to the game

With you on most of that Paul, other than the 'under 26' thing. Why should youngsters get the chance to play and not say 28-32yr olds in their 'prime'? Surely your top teams will mainly be made up of that age group? (assuming we exclude paid/pro types). I totally agree with the fact no players should be paid (and that includes 'player/coach' type roles which are just a way of getting around it. Leagues should see detailed accounts from clubs too at the levels where players get paid (will change depending on area). You could of course go further and say all clubs should field at least 4 'home grown' players in their firsts? (say players that have been there since <20 or something??)

Lots of things you could do, top clubs won't like it because paying people, hording youth and getting ex pro's in is their main Modus Operandi to keep them at the top.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2014, 01:41:10 PM »

Well yes maybe 32 yrs but it needs to be done because the quality of cricket is falling miserably and it needs some people who know what it's about through all levels to stand up to what's happening. The ECB haven't a clue and the people who run the leagues are just in it for the kudos they think it brings them.
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2014, 02:56:32 PM »

Well yes maybe 32 yrs but it needs to be done because the quality of cricket is falling miserably and it needs some people who know what it's about through all levels to stand up to what's happening. The ECB haven't a clue and the people who run the leagues are just in it for the kudos they think it brings them.

So why do people (including some on here), believe the quality is better than ever? Why are they so blinkered? Is it really just because they like the thought of them being able to say 'I played ECB Prem cricket'?
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Re: Village Cricket
« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2014, 03:11:39 PM »

The quality of my local league is shocking compared to 20 years ago
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