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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2014, 11:22:19 PM »

Hi Skip, I understand that you've had a bit of a negative experience with B3. However, don't think it's necessary to seem aggressive towards the questioning, I think Dave was just making the point that they had already had the capacity to produce a very thick oval handle, so weren't going to copy the handle, as they already provide one that's to the customers liking. (Didn't ask for the handle to be replicated)

I actually just sent these bats down to get a more accurate mapping, so B3 could keep the profiles in their system, both for my own future use, and also for the use of anyone else on this forum. In terms of the handle I would have requested, I would have actually asked for a slightly skinnier oval, but would have liked to keep the pronounced oval feel. (Kind of a hybrid between the SCat and Laver handles!)

Turned out the SCat would be 2lb 9.5oz with a 400 cleft, but obviously Julian leaves quite a lot of weight in the handle, so it does make sense that the SCat is heavier than this.

The Laver would turn out to be 2lb 11.5oz. I'm not 100% sure if Streaky factored in the lack of any concaving on the higher parts of both bats, which will be part of the reason why they pick up so well too. However, from what I've seen, the replication is pretty accurate! (I believe that Norbs, ex SAF bat maker, called it the C to V profile)

Admittedly, the CAD model of these bats that Streaky sent me on PDF do look a touch different compared to these prototype pics I've posted up, the SCat isn't quite as big as that! (Says 31.76mm for the edge and 60.91mm for the spine on the PDF) The Laver's spine is bigger than I thought, at 66mm.

As to the weight B3 say a bat will turn out to be, obviously this is based on an assumption that the handle will always be a specific weight, so assuming that the handles are all the same density, then yes, they assume that all the handles are the same generic shape when calculating. Of course, a customer will state what kind of a shape of a handle they would like. Even though the clefts are put through a CNC, there must still be a lot of handcrafting involved, as they may need to take a little extra weight out of the profile, simply because the density of the cleft isn't uniform across the blade, and also the customer may request a really thick handle, which weighs a good couple of ounces more than the 'generic' one they base the calculations on.

Lots of respect for this company, offering something pretty darn unique indeed. Looking forward to receiving my rehandled BAS back, and will be deciding what bats to cut loose to get a Bespoke bat from them. Loving the Butterfly Mull profiled bat I got from them earlier, although now, in hindsight, I should have went for the DW1, as that's a cracker!
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2014, 02:00:39 AM »

Hi Skip, I understand that you've had a bit of a negative experience with B3. However, don't think it's necessary to seem aggressive towards the questioning, I think Dave was just making the point that they had already had the capacity to produce a very thick oval handle, so weren't going to copy the handle, as they already provide one that's to the customers liking. (Didn't ask for the handle to be replicated)


Hey guys, I don't think Skip did anything wrong - having asked the original question, I was also confused when procricket replied that "we are not copying anything". It needed clarification, and Skip was fine in questioning further. But now that it's all clear let's leave it at that.

Good looking bats though. Which profile do you prefer in game?
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2014, 03:13:35 AM »

Stop being aggressive Tugga.
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2014, 06:25:31 AM »

I think the reference to not copying anything and it being bat mapping may be to stay clear from any legal issues?
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2014, 12:57:51 PM »

I think the reference to not copying anything and it being bat mapping may be to stay clear from any legal issues?

That's an interesting thought. Do brands get copyrights on their bat profiles? I wouldn't think so but you never know.
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2014, 04:25:02 PM »

Hey guys, I don't think Skip did anything wrong - having asked the original question, I was also confused when procricket replied that "we are not copying anything". It needed clarification, and Skip was fine in questioning further. But now that it's all clear let's leave it at that.

Good looking bats though. Which profile do you prefer in game?

Stop being aggressive Tugga.

Being that relentless in the questioning, while it is pretty evident that B3 provide a handle to the customer's specs, (generic handle shape comment) plus with the above response pretty much sums up why I came to my conclusions. May have been wrong in my assumptions, in which case I apologise, difficult to determine the attitude over typed out messages.

Profile wise, I prefer my Laver, as it was actually custom shaped to my specs. I haven't had much of a chance to use the Screaming Cat. (Or many of my other bats!) Of course I'm being a little biased, but it is a larger bat overall, and I feel that the sweetspot is more substantial.
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2014, 05:20:18 PM »

We also run handles through weight and by that i mean handles are weighted and a big factor in bat weights too. People forget this sometimes but their is a natural difference in handles some may not be aware of and thats before they are shaped.

Hell you can't even have banter on this forum....
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2014, 07:16:47 PM »

We also run handles through weight and by that i mean handles are weighted and a big factor in bat weights too. People forget this sometimes but their is a natural difference in handles some may not be aware of and thats before they are shaped.

Hell you can't even have banter on this forum....

Apologies, was just a bit annoyed at what seemed like pointless questions, my fault for derailing the thread with my responses.

Impressed by what you guys are doing, there's really not much that you guys can't offer in terms of bespoke bats!
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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2014, 03:58:24 PM »

I'm not angry, the question was asked if the handle shape of the screaming cat was being copied as well. Surely it's being copied if he wants the same bat?

I think it is safe to say there has been a few crossed wires in this thread. We can produce what ever handle the customer wants, as we make to order and dont choose from stock. We tend to classify the handles in 4 main catergories - ROUND/ SLIGHT OVAL / OVAL / EXTREME OVAL - that said we can also provide a more accurate service whereby customers give us dimensions of their ideal set up and we work from that. I hope that answers your question Skip1973

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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2014, 04:01:08 PM »

This is a good point. Both photo's show a bow in the blade, whereas Streaky's bitmap is a flat. This is particularly relevant to the spine as it gives the impression of it tailing away on the bitmap more than the photo's. Stick the bitmap image at a slight upward angle, going up towards the handle and the spine profile will indeed look similar and flatter in both cases.

Your spot on - the photo's of the actual bat include the set of the handle, the photo that I have used to bat map is resting on the toe and top of the blade so takes out the handle set - does that make sense???

Dave, I'm sure you have told me before but how is the bow put in? How will you get it to match the photos?

Press all our bow - i.e. not machine cut

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Re: B3 Bat Mapping (Laver and Screaming Cat)
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2014, 04:07:53 PM »

That's an interesting thought. Do brands get copyrights on their bat profiles? I wouldn't think so but you never know.

There is a thing called design registration - which by the letter of the law states that once your design has been out in the public domain you have a design right for that, however, cricket bats being cricket bats someone could argue that they are all the same and also argue that that all are completely different. Their has only ever been 1 patent on cricket bats to knowledge and that was the GN Scoop - which has no lapse as it is over 25 years old.
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