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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #330 on: July 31, 2015, 04:02:44 PM »

Again we go back to the Trott fiasco...Lyth should've been given the WI and NZ series to bed in and get his confidence up before the ashes. Telling him he was guaranteed those 3 series would've made him more relaxed and feel more part of the team. Now he probably feels like another chop and change player forever looking over their shoulder, rather than focusing on their time in the middle against tough opposition (not so tough last 3days). Keep him in, back him and move on to Trent bridge as him part of a winning side
100 per cent right.could'nt agree more. When he gets in he can score freely,that's an advantage-he is not a blocker who will get stuck with 20 off 100 balls.
If England think he is the right man this might be one of those times the coaches earn their money helping him tighten up

just my view.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #331 on: July 31, 2015, 04:51:11 PM »


I personally believe he has been given his chance.

Has now played 10 Test innings at an average of 22.20, just not good enough at the top level.



In my opinion, there isn't much difference between 9 and 10 innings as a statistic.

Did you know Steve Smith, current number one batsman, averaged 22.78 after 9 innings.

So, whilst Lyth is looking a bit out of his depth, with the right coaching and direction, he can improve to any level potentially.

He just needs to get that one big score which will hopefully kick start his career.


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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #332 on: July 31, 2015, 04:52:34 PM »

In my opinion, there isn't much difference between 9 and 10 innings as a statistic.

Did you know Steve Smith, current number one batsman, averaged 22.78 after 9 innings.

So, whilst Lyth is looking a bit out of his depth, with the right coaching and direction, he can improve to any level potentially.

He just needs to get that one big score which will hopefully kick start his career.


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Statistics only tell half a story, that Steve Smith had played 9 innings being selected as a leg spin bowler and lower order bat...
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #333 on: July 31, 2015, 05:04:40 PM »


Statistics only tell half a story, that Steve Smith had played 9 innings being selected as a leg spin bowler and lower order bat...

So because he didn't open, he could improve to be the number one in the world and Lyth can't?

I'm not saying he will, just saying that some people have a slow start to their career.

PS - Smith batted 6 vs England in this patch. That's a batsman spot.


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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #334 on: July 31, 2015, 05:14:41 PM »

So because he didn't open, he could improve to be the number one in the world and Lyth can't?

I'm not saying he will, just saying that some people have a slow start to their career.

PS - Smith batted 6 vs England in this patch. That's a batsman spot.


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My point was he was selected as a bowler first and foremost, not a batsman!

Maybe we could use Lythe as number 6 and front line spinner, ihis average might not be all doom and gloom if we did that...
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #335 on: July 31, 2015, 08:51:23 PM »

For Trent bridge why not gamble on Onoins he's bowling well and as the  Aussies have shown they                                          can t play seam and swing .
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #336 on: July 31, 2015, 09:27:40 PM »

Don't take offence but how much notice do you take of county cricket, or Durham in particular? Onions plays only 4 day games due to his past injuries and even then he is not the best English bowler at Durham maybe not even in the top 3 any more. Yet Chris Rushworth is the top wicket taker in the county circuit. Once again please don't take offence and take it as I'm ridiculing your opinion, but I struggle to see the sense in that.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #337 on: July 31, 2015, 09:32:50 PM »

Don't take offence but how much notice do you take of county cricket, or Durham in particular? Onions plays only 4 day games due to his past injuries and even then he is not the best English bowler at Durham maybe not even in the top 3 any more. Yet Chris Rushworth is the top wicket taker in the county circuit. Once again please don't take offence and take it as I'm ridiculing your opinion, but I struggle to see the sense in that.

Exactly, Onions has 32 wickets in 10 games at 34 this season with an economy of 3.81 and only 1 five wicket haul suggests he hasn't been all that great this season.  Rushworth has twice as many wickets.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #338 on: July 31, 2015, 09:47:09 PM »

Onions does have 32 wickets this season test experience and can swing the ball.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #339 on: August 01, 2015, 07:53:15 AM »

As I said on Twitter to someone else, what is the point in the county circuit if the outstanding performers are getting ignored for clearly inferior players, be it due to favouritism or as you say experience.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #340 on: August 01, 2015, 11:43:19 AM »

As I said on Twitter to someone else, what is the point in the county circuit if the outstanding performers are getting ignored for clearly inferior players, be it due to favouritism or as you say experience.
yes ther are outstanding performers around
Select Onions  not so much for his test experience but because he can bowl a late in swinger which the Aussies have shown they have difficulty playing England don't need another up and down bowler as both Broad and Finn can bowl that it's also what the Aussies are used to.
Also Trent bridge normally assists seam bowlers.



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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #341 on: August 01, 2015, 01:57:05 PM »

Liam Plunkett and Mark Footitt added to the Eng squad for the 4th test
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #342 on: August 02, 2015, 12:25:32 AM »

yes ther are outstanding performers around
Select Onions  not so much for his test experience but because he can bowl a late in swinger which the Aussies have shown they have difficulty playing England don't need another up and down bowler as both Broad and Finn can bowl that it's also what the Aussies are used to.
Also Trent bridge normally assists seam bowlers.

I then say again Chris Rushworth..... You have just described what Rushworth would love...... Either way Footit and Plunkett are in the squad. From a selfish point of view I hope Plunkett plays and Wood is allowed to play for Durham!! Means the daft yorkies are another man short and Durham get Wood + keeping Rushworth and Stoneman, who was rumoured to replace Lyth.

On a slight side note, the selectors were in their meeting for a good few hours, which says to me;
1) the selection of the 2 bowlers wasn't straight forward with names such as Brooks/Rushworth mentioned a lot
2) other places were seriously under discussion, mainly Cooks opening partner with my man Stoneman and probably Hales mentioned heavily there.
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #343 on: August 02, 2015, 01:40:24 AM »

The lad on the Top needs to go. I believe ENG has way better batsmens than that
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Re: Edgbaston - Third Test
« Reply #344 on: August 03, 2015, 09:19:50 AM »

Liam Plunkett and Mark Footitt added to the Eng squad for the 4th test

Out of those two play Plunkett he will be the quickest bowler on the pitch.
Play Footitt in the 5th test when England are three one up.
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