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No, I have a shrey currently. Tom has put aside a maroon ti which is on sale.

Not sure if he means he has an Ayrtek that rattles or is looking for one due to his existing helmet rattling?

Yes sorry, i misread it. Welcome to the Ayrtek club, i have a lovely carbon fibre ACIS model :)

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I have had no issue with mine and there are lots of people using them..

Good enough more lots of England players and county players.

I know plenty of people who really rate the shrey I personally like mine lighter and I believe scored as high as mauri on the safety tests.

But there bin lids so my knowledge is limited.

Safety test scores regarding concussion, Shrey gets nowhere near Masuri Vision Series. I cannot recall the units but its something like newtons per square inch, the allowed limit is 150. Masuri (last time i saw the data) is the only helmet with a sub 100 reading, Shrey is somewhere around the high 130's. Masuri are unhappy with their own numbers after Morgan suffered a minor concussion, hence the devlopment of their Poron XRD pro foams for added impact protection. Seen on the heads of many pros recently, look for the yellow ring under the peak that you can just about see on Billings helmet here.



I'm glad your helmet is OK, but please check under the ear foam where it meets the palstic, thats where i find most of the horrors.

Regarding what you've said about pro players. I suspect most have gone to Shrey for either the weight, or the money, or both. Some of course may simply prefer the fit of a Shrey. At the elite level the fitting issues will soon be non existent. Masuri have just developed 3D lazer head scanning technology to accurately map a players head and then build a helmet to shape to it perfectly. Morgan is currently wearing one after being the first head to be scanned in the Summer.

Regarding weight. The new Original Test helmets i have mentioned are about to launch. And will address all the problems that players have raised with the Vision Series regarding weight and looks, but unlike Shrey will actually be well built.

That leaves (in my opinion) the over riding reason for any professional to stick with Shrey as $$$$

I know you have mentioned in the past that you think Masuri pay players. All i can go in is the information they state both publicly and to trade customers, which is they do not pay any player to wear their product. Whether its true or not who knows. If they do pay then in my opinion it is obvious Shrey are paying more to certain pros, as there are fewer and fewer reasons to wear a Shrey aside from the cash.

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Safety test scores regarding concussion, Shrey gets nowhere near Masuri Vision Series. I cannot recall the units but its something like newtons per square inch, the allowed limit is 150. Masuri (last time i saw the data) is the only helmet with a sub 100 reading, Shrey is somewhere around the high 130's. Masuri are unhappy with their own numbers after Morgan suffered a minor concussion, hence the devlopment of their Poron XRD pro foams for added impact protection. Seen on the heads of many pros recently, look for the yellow ring under the peak that you can just about see on Billings helmet here.



I'm glad your helmet is OK, but please check under the ear foam where it meets the palstic, thats where i find most of the horrors.

Regarding what you've said about pro players. I suspect most have gone to Shrey for either the weight, or the money, or both. Some of course may simply prefer the fit of a Shrey. At the elite level the fitting issues will soon be non existent. Masuri have just developed 3D lazer head scanning technology to accurately map a players head and then build a helmet to shape to it perfectly. Morgan is currently wearing one after being the first head to be scanned in the Summer.

Regarding weight. The new Original Test helmets i have mentioned are about to launch. And will address all the problems that players have raised with the Vision Series regarding weight and looks, but unlike Shrey will actually be well built.

That leaves (in my opinion) the over riding reason for any professional to stick with Shrey as $$$$

I know you have mentioned in the past that you think Masuri pay players. All i can go in is the information they state both publicly and to trade customers, which is they do not pay any player to wear their product. Whether its true or not who knows. If they do pay then in my opinion it is obvious Shrey are paying more to certain pros, as there are fewer and fewer reasons to wear a Shrey aside from the cash.

They did and do pay. But lets be honest so do so many..

Bit like willow if you have the money I guess..

I was told Shrey scored as well as Masuri on most tests but then again I can not verify it. I have pulled back the cloth no cracks and stuff.

I like both my shrey and masuri I would recommend both


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Funny to see this thread as I just received a Masterclass Air Titanium today and was going to add this to my helmet search thread.

@DorsetDan I can't say i'm surprised to see what you ahve received, i'm jsut glad you have noticed so early and don't end up finding out once you have worn it and got used to it, or worse you find out in a serious way during a match.

Shrey are Masuris old manufacturer from a time before Masuri chose to have all helmets made in the UK. One of their main reasons for doing so was the more minor issues you have highlighted, batches of helmets arriving with poorly applied cloth, or dirty/oily handling marks, roughly finished grilles etc. They were rejecting an awful lot of ordered stock on arrivial into the UK and decided enough was enough. Masuri grilles are now made over the road from us in Peterborough in one of the cleanest, most impressive industrial units i've ever seen. The rest of the production is handled by Masuri in Hampshire.

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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.
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They did and do pay. But lets be honest so do so many..

Bit like willow if you have the money I guess..

I was told Shrey scored as well as Masuri on most tests but then again I can not verify it. I have pulled back the cloth no cracks and stuff.

I like both my shrey and masuri I would recommend both

Of course, most of us will never be privy to waht really goes on, i'm in agreement there.

I technically still wear a Shrey in the sense that i keep in an old Masuri WK helmet. They are capable of a quality product, it seems they have unfortunately chosen to bodge and scrimp rather than embrace the new age of safety and build quality pioneered by Masuri and Ayrtek.

Its simple enough to see without knowing test results that when it comes to shell impacts, Masuri Vision Series twin shell helmets will always do better than a single shell helmet, single shells being every other helmet on the market.

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I had originally masuris, 3 off, and majority off my club had them. Many came from sports direct.

I will be honest and say I never rated them for build quality finishing, many were bumpy and had badly fitted cloth. And I've seen a few titanium welds go in bags and need replacements.

I also always found the grill and screws were always at strange angles and nothing ever fitted flush.
As an engineer it annoyed me profusley.


I presume these issues may be why shrey were ditched by masuri for manufacturing. But who knows


I switched to ayrtek, and am now on my 4th? I think, and as soon as tom releases a new carbon one with the solid liner I'll get a fifth!

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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.

Maybe i recalled the numbers wrong, but there was definitely a big jump between the twin shell Vision Series and all the other single shells. When did the ACIS go on the machine mate? I had no doubts it would fare incredibly well but at the time when i discussed it, the Ayrtek numbers weren't there, either not available or you hadnt yet gone through the process. Looking forward to seeing the relaunched range in full :)

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I think the scariest thing on the helmet I received is the apparent attempts to weld/ glue a cracked bit of shell + grill attachment. That is far worse than a bit of a poor design or poor finishing which suggests they are happy to bodge them out however they can. I'm glad I saw the threads on here to at least check first, as you say @Vitas Cricket

Does the safety test data ever get published? Could one, for example check if the GM Purist I am comfortable with is in line with the safety of the upper end of single shell helmets (hopefully that is a vague enough question for a one word answer or PM :) )
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Maybe i recalled the numbers wrong, but there was definitely a big jump between the twin shell Vision Series and all the other single shells. When did the ACIS go on the machine mate? I had no doubts it would fare incredibly well but at the time when i discussed it, the Ayrtek numbers weren't there, either not available or you hadnt yet gone through the process. Looking forward to seeing the relaunched range in full :)

A.C.I.S was done at BSI lab in Hemel back in 2010/11 in Carbon fibre helmets as well as "Plastic" versions on drop test ratings under 1998 standard which remain the same as the new one all be it you only have 1 impact per sight now instead of 2 back then. The results are deemed confidential as we purchased 6 of each competitor brand and paid for them to be tested so we could discover where we ranked in comparison at the time to them.
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May have to get a new Ayrtek tom complete the collection nothing wrong with my Warwickshire one I got off thee...

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I think the scariest thing on the helmet I received is the apparent attempts to weld/ glue a cracked bit of shell + grill attachment. That is far worse than a bit of a poor design or poor finishing which suggests they are happy to bodge them out however they can. I'm glad I saw the threads on here to at least check first, as you say @Vitas Cricket

Does the safety test data ever get published? Could one, for example check if the GM Purist I am comfortable with is in line with the safety of the upper end of single shell helmets (hopefully that is a vague enough question for a one word answer or PM :) )

To my knowledge the data is not public. A brand I suppose could choose to publish their own data, but it would be fairly useless without other brands to compare to.

Whether it is right or wrong to want data made available is another debate, what i would like is a bit more clarity from the ECB regarding the whole thing. This is all they have done: https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/79227

A fairly useless few paragraphs followed by a list of compliant models.

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It's like a driving test....a pass is a pass doesn't matter if you get 0 minors or 12 (if that's the limit??) you still get a certificate if you pass allowing you to sell them as certified.

It doesn't say on your licence how many minors you got 🤔
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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.
What are those numbers measurements of Tom, transmitted force to the headform?
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Yes Ed, there are sensors (tri-axial accelerometers) on the headform measuring the force transmitted through the helmet to them I believe.
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