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Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« on: January 03, 2017, 06:11:00 AM »

Rumour has it that these two are set to end South African careers and join Hampshire to secure their financial futures. Seems bizarre in Abbott's case as he guaranteed a solid 6-12 month run in the side with Steyn injured. More more understanding of Rossouw who's been billed as the future for 3/5 years now yet keeps getting overlooked

Interestingly Morne Morkel might take the Johan Botha route and relocate to Australia
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 08:40:46 AM »

Can't really blame them when the money playing for SA is nothing compared to the Pig Three
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 08:48:53 AM »

Don't think it's the money! Think we'll see more and more white SA players doing it with the new government regulations.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 08:50:28 AM »

not an expert on this kolpack ruling but now is the time presuming it (the law) could be affected by leaving the EU(if we ever do)

and before this thread gets locked no not a Brexit point just a point on the ruling

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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 08:56:34 AM »

After Brexit is formalised the British government has the right cancel any Kolpak deals
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 09:02:51 AM »

not an expert on this kolpack ruling but now is the time presuming it (the law) could be affected by leaving the EU(if we ever do)

and before this thread gets locked no not a Brexit point just a point on the ruling

 :) :)

Expect any deals that are already in place will remain. Probably not a coincidence the amount of South Africans that have gone kolpak the season after Brexit was confirmed to be happening.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 09:43:30 AM »

After Brexit is formalised the British government has the right cancel any Kolpak deals

It'd have the right but there'd be numerous legal challenges to cancelling any pre-existing arrangements, much more likely they'd just limit/halt any new ones being put in place
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 09:56:40 AM »

As Brexit iis going take years would have thought there playing days would be over.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 12:19:04 PM »

I read somewhere that the ECB had asked numerous times for the home office to advise them but as with all Brexit related matters no one knows the impact. The suggestion is any deal signed before we leave the EU would be valid for the duration of that deal even if the end is after we have left. After that who knows but at some point I suspect that Kolpak deals will no longer be exist
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 12:50:58 PM »

I read somewhere that the ECB had asked numerous times for the home office to advise them but as with all Brexit related matters no one knows the impact. The suggestion is any deal signed before we leave the EU would be valid for the duration of that deal even if the end is after we have left. After that who knows but at some point I suspect that Kolpak deals will no longer be exist

Personally, I believe there will be a different ruling to what many "Pro EU" are saying..  it not only makes sense but will prevent various court actions by individuals and companies.. To allow those from the EU to continue to work in UK providing they have a contract of employment. Also, companies will still be allowed to employ people from the EU providing they are the best person for the job or its seasonal employment..
The government is not that naive when it comes to employment and immigration and those who think they ARE, either have an ulterior motive or need to have a goood haaarrdd look at themselves... :)
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 01:11:18 PM »

Personally, I believe there will be a different ruling to what many "Pro EU" are saying..  it not only makes sense but will prevent various court actions by individuals and companies.. To allow those from the EU to continue to work in UK providing they have a contract of employment. Also, companies will still be allowed to employ people from the EU providing they are the best person for the job or its seasonal employment..
The government is not that naive when it comes to employment and immigration and those who think they ARE, either have an ulterior motive or need to have a goood haaarrdd look at themselves... :)

I was relating to Kolpak deals specifically going forward. These trade deals SA (and others) had with the EU meant they were "home grown" talent, that wont be the case going forward, they will be classed as overseas unless the UK continues that trade deal on its own.

Is there a limit  to how long a Kolpak deal can be? Could someone sign a contract now for 10 years if the county was willing to commit?
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 03:18:04 PM »

I was relating to Kolpak deals specifically going forward. These trade deals SA (and others) had with the EU meant they were "home grown" talent, that wont be the case going forward, they will be classed as overseas unless the UK continues that trade deal on its own.

Is there a limit  to how long a Kolpak deal can be? Could someone sign a contract now for 10 years if the county was willing to commit?

I guess you'd only have to do 7 as you could be English qualified by then. Don't think I've ever seen more than 4 years though.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2017, 03:27:09 PM »

I make this merely as a snide joke, but he'd get a more challenging game in county than he is currently against Sri Lanka
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2017, 04:00:03 PM »

Okay, I suspect I have more understanding of these issues than most on here. 

At the present time, Article 50 has not even been enacted, so we're a minimum of 27 months from knowing whether a deal can even be reached on exit.  There is legal provision for the two year negotiating period to be extended by mutual agreement, and it is far from impossible that both sides may decide that it wouldn't hurt to move the date past that of the next UK general election.  In any event, given that exit would not be a done deal overnight, we're looking four years away in any realistic terms.

At which point, there will be approximately 6'500'000 people in the mainland UK on the basis of EEA nationality or ties.  If you think that any deal is seriously going to look to limit the rights of those people - or of the two million or so Brits on the continent - then you are either a) insane or b) of the mistaken belief that the level of paperwork involved is even possible. 

You may see a new limitation on Kolpak players in circa 5 years time.  But if you do, any existing ones will be protected - those that have not met the requirements for citizenship that is - and arrangements will be put in place to support the freedom of top class sportsmen to move across borders.  Yadda yadda exigent circumstances, national interest etc.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 08:04:59 AM »

CSA's diversity policy could be a reason for proposed departure of Rossou and Abott.

Rabada, Steyn & Morkel would be the prime fast bowling combo for SA. There was a bit of chatter about how AB was disappointed during SA vs NZ WC semi's when he wanted to keep Abott but CSA pushed for Philanderer's inclusion. Abott has been in the center of this for a while and things might be quite clear to him by now. He is better off securing his financial future by playing in england and t20 leagues around the world.

Rossou is not going to get his chance unless QDK loses focus. QDK is playing quite well and he is also donning the opener role in one-day/t20 games. I don't see a way for Rossou in the team unless he plans to be a specialist batsman. Playing in England might give him some credibility to be a specialist batsman. Who knows ?? This stint might actually help him out ...
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