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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 08:32:38 AM »

CSA's diversity policy could be a reason for proposed departure of Rossou and Abott.

Rabada, Steyn & Morkel would be the prime fast bowling combo for SA. There was a bit of chatter about how AB was disappointed during SA vs NZ WC semi's when he wanted to keep Abott but CSA pushed for Philanderer's inclusion. Abott has been in the center of this for a while and things might be quite clear to him by now. He is better off securing his financial future by playing in england and t20 leagues around the world.

Rossou is not going to get his chance unless QDK loses focus. QDK is playing quite well and he is also donning the opener role in one-day/t20 games. I don't see a way for Rossou in the team unless he plans to be a specialist batsman. Playing in England might give him some credibility to be a specialist batsman. Who knows ?? This stint might actually help him out ...

He doesn't bowl or keep so what else could he play as?
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2017, 08:49:10 AM »

He doesn't bowl or keep so what else could he play as?

Agreed, but he is labelled as a keeper+batsman isn't he ?? For one or two series, he was playing as a wicket keeper when QDK was injured. Ideally when two or more keepers are available, teams tend to side with one guy and other guy usually bites the dust very soon. Parthiv Patel & Dinesh Karthik couldn't find a way into the team since there was MS Dhoni. Eventually they retired from some form of the game very soon and focused on other avenues to make money. Same goes for Roussou where, he is not going to get a ticket into the team being a keeper + batsman. However to be a specialist batsman he needs to show he is more valuable than someone in the current SA middle order. I doubt if this will happen ...
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2017, 10:05:55 AM »

Agreed, but he is labelled as a keeper+batsman isn't he ?? For one or two series, he was playing as a wicket keeper when QDK was injured. Ideally when two or more keepers are available, teams tend to side with one guy and other guy usually bites the dust very soon. Parthiv Patel & Dinesh Karthik couldn't find a way into the team since there was MS Dhoni. Eventually they retired from some form of the game very soon and focused on other avenues to make money. Same goes for Roussou where, he is not going to get a ticket into the team being a keeper + batsman. However to be a specialist batsman he needs to show he is more valuable than someone in the current SA middle order. I doubt if this will happen ...

Cricinfo lists him as having no career stumping so would be surprised if he's kept much at all.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2017, 04:35:21 PM »

@Kulli - You are correct. My mistake .. Pardon me for the screw up.

Riley was announced as replacement for QDK in SA's tour of India. I assumed he was the wicket keeper replacement. Checked back the series stats and it seems like ABD was the keeper then ...
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2017, 10:24:35 AM »

Oh dear, Abbott's going to be dropped for the last test:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html

Such a shame that its come to this
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2017, 10:26:14 AM »

How long before abott and viljoen can spear head the English attack?
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2017, 10:38:21 AM »

Oh dear, Abbott's going to be dropped for the last test:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2016-17/content/story/1075682.html

Such a shame that its come to this


it is a real shame

any prejudice against colour is wrong

this is a sort of reserve apartheid, back to the 1960's

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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2017, 11:36:04 AM »

both these players signed for Hampshire

that moved pretty quick  :)
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2017, 12:04:00 PM »

TBH, i'm no expert on quotos, all these guys are jumping ship too quickly. Harmer and Viljoen probably justified there deals as they are no more than fringe international players. Abbott and Rossouw where in all the squads only to be edged out greats of the like Steyn and AB. The latter two are on the home run so spots will become available.

Just look at Stephen Cook as an example, he was offered a Kolpak(even his father Jimmy a former South African international encouraged him to take it) but the younger Cook held on his belief that he chance would come and he was proved correct.

Abbott  had an IPL deal as well so money can't be that short...
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2017, 12:24:29 PM »

im no expert either Felix, but these guys are professional sportsmen

To me, and fully happy to be corrected here, this is the exact situation Kevin Pieterson described as he reasons for moving to England, except he was blatantly lying, I can't even think of a black player in his era who came thru for the National side(in that period).

Slightly later Ntini came along to be the significant black player in the team-prior to that......boucher,smith,kallis,the list goes on.

Pieterson pulled the race card......now years later, the race card is actually real.

that's how I see it, but as I said, happy to be corrected if facts are wrong.

both these current players have had meetings with their board very recently.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2017, 01:05:53 PM »


http://www.ageasbowl.com/cricket/news/hampshire-sign-kyle-abbott-and-rilee-rossouw/

Just seen this

(Looks like a lot of people beat me to it though...)
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2017, 01:31:19 PM »

im no expert either Felix, but these guys are professional sportsmen

To me, and fully happy to be corrected here, this is the exact situation Kevin Pieterson described as he reasons for moving to England, except he was blatantly lying, I can't even think of a black player in his era who came thru for the National side(in that period).

Slightly later Ntini came along to be the significant black player in the team-prior to that......boucher,smith,kallis,the list goes on.

Pieterson pulled the race card......now years later, the race card is actually real.

that's how I see it, but as I said, happy to be corrected if facts are wrong.

both these current players have had meetings with their board very recently.

From what I can gather from people I've spoken to, he pulled the race card out when he was playing provincial/franchise cricket, not when he was close to international cricket. He couldn't get a consistent run of games for his province due to the quota system that's in place and that's why he looked to play his cricket elsewhere.

Is the quota system fair/needed? It's debatable, but there is still a huge disparity between the resources/finances available to whites and blacks and without the quota system I don't think they would even get a chance to play cricket at a competitive level.

I very much doubt the likes of Rabada would have made it into the national side without the quota system in place.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2017, 01:34:15 PM »

Problem for CSA is the quota system is totally out of their control and handed down to them by the sporting authorities, they all have their own expectations etc.

Expecting more players to follow if I'm being honest.
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Re: Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw looking at Kolpak deals
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2017, 01:37:41 PM »

From what I can gather from people I've spoken to, he pulled the race card out when he was playing provincial/franchise cricket, not when he was close to international cricket. He couldn't get a consistent run of games for his province due to the quota system that's in place and that's why he looked to play his cricket elsewhere.

Exactly my understanding too. KP said quotas stopped him getting a fair crack at provincial/franchise level
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