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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2017, 09:51:14 AM »

Personally, I think YJB is more unlucky than Billings and Duckett in not being in the 50 over side. England are NOT going to drop Morgan on this tour (IMHO pick players on current form  and not one BBL innings and past glories)
Also don't see point of Woakes being there. If he is going to be the successor to Anderson then surely have him back home working on things, rather than flogging his guts out on wickets he won't be on for another 3/4 years...
Again clueless thinking by the selectors..

Agree about Woakes - why play 5 seamers on an India wicket if Woakes is down the pecking order?
I can understand them playing Strokes to give him a warm up game before the main ODI matches.
I can also understand them playing Ball, Plunkett and Willey to decide on the line up - IMO Stokes and Willey should be playing plus 1 other...so choice between Ball and Plunkett!
Better off playing Dawson and giving him a decent 6 or 7 overs to see if he can get into his stride. If the batters go after him then not a problem - this is what warm up matches are for!! He gets found out and they know not to play him in the main ODI!! But giving him 2 overs like they did in the other warm up match is not enough to take a good look at him.
My worries are Morgan and Ali! Mo seems to be bowling well but he is in there as a batsman too and he is not performing. Just got to hope that he starts to get some kind of form in the next match or two as we need his spin option. Morgan is not looking in any kind of form so surely bat him down at 6/7 so that we can include Billings and other more in-form batsmen up the order?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2017, 09:54:37 AM »

And which JB to play? Buttler (although he didn't have a good knock) is one of the most destructive batsman on the planet if he hits form.
But again, you just can't ignore the runs Bairstow has hit and continues to hit this season!!
the problem is that if we want Billings in and the selectors won't drop Morgan, then how can we fit both JB's in?  :(
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2017, 10:00:07 AM »

Personally, I think YJB is more unlucky than Billings and Duckett in not being in the 50 over side. England are NOT going to drop Morgan on this tour (IMHO pick players on current form  and not one BBL innings and past glories)
Also don't see point of Woakes being there. If he is going to be the successor to Anderson then surely have him back home working on things, rather than flogging his guts out on wickets he won't be on for another 3/4 years...
Again clueless thinking by the selectors..

And there's another problem who have England got   to replace Jimmy  someone who can take wickets away from the Uk.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2017, 10:34:17 AM »

163-1 in 25 overs. England getting a hammering
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2017, 10:38:06 AM »

And there's another problem who have England got   to replace Jimmy  someone who can take wickets away from the Uk.
Totally agree... Of course its hard to plan 12 months in advance but everything I read and hear is that Woakes is keen to learn and a very hard worker.
One of the problems Jimmy had in last tour of Australia was bowling to short .. This was a result of him playing one day cricket for 12 months before that tour.. Jimmy found it very difficult to get back into the rhythm of bowling fuller and getting that swing...

Woakes has shown he can swing the ball at mid to late 80's so why are we letting him flog his balls out on a flat deck???

Its time for the selectors to take certain bowlers and batsmen away from one day cricket and give them Test contracts.. Get them playing county cricket where the knock on effect will be them improving the standard of county cricket and giving the test side a better chance of beating the Aussies and being world No1..

Haseeb, Woakes, Lees, Jennings, Westley, Finn, Leach, Gibbons, Fisher, Bell-Drummond, Balance, Foakes etc etc etc
I know there are a few more promising bowlers out there from Somerset, Middlesex etc
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2017, 11:19:24 AM »

Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2017, 11:21:07 AM »

Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.

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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2017, 11:24:38 AM »

Instagram seems to suggest Roy was out when the stem guard from his helmet fell off and dislodged the bails.

Is this true?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »

Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.

Yeh and don't forget that he is just an average fielder too.  ;)
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2017, 11:29:32 AM »

Bairstow doesn't deserve a place in the limited overs side. Evening looking at his list A record is ordinary. Billings is the better limited overs player by a mile
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2017, 11:29:54 AM »

I see that lot of people on this forum feel that Ben Stokes is awesome. But somehow his performances in limited overs cricket havent been awesome. In test cricket, I agree that he has some great match winning performances. But when was the last time he won England a one day or a T20 game either with his bowling or his batting. He is not a finisher in limited overs cricket. He needs time to settle in which isnt an option for the position he bats in limited overs cricket. He is a good bowling option but when was the last time England relied on him completely. In sub-con conditions, if he is that good that England should be able to drop a seamer and pick an extra batsman or spinner. But that isnt the case.
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2017, 11:31:07 AM »

Yeh and don't forget that he is just an average fielder too.  ;)
Stokes averages 28 with the bat and 38 with the ball in ODI's. Not exactly an automatic selection...
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2017, 11:35:43 AM »

I see that lot of people on this forum feel that Ben Stokes is awesome. But somehow his performances in limited overs cricket havent been awesome. In test cricket, I agree that he has some great match winning performances. But when was the last time he won England a one day or a T20 game either with his bowling or his batting.


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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2017, 11:51:08 AM »

so am curious, what are people thinking will be the likely XI come the first ODI match?
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Re: India v England ODI/T20 Matches
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 11:51:52 AM »

BTW anyone seen Pant batting today? Whats he look like? Gunn?
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