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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 06:57:23 AM »


Yeah i agree re sales staff and bat knowledge. ...some have it , quite a few don't.  I was more referring to after sales warranty , trying to get stock in for a customer etc , that kind of thing .
Re your idea of clean skin bat selection , then get the corresponding stickers - that's a great idea , would be potentially an eye opener for some .... 'you mean i actually love Puma and Slazenger the best ? Really , must be some kind of mistake !' .
This pick your bat then get the stickers idea is kind of akin to those who blind date people on the internet based on 'personality' , then when they meet,  one has to put up with a fat old heffa and the other a scrawny old baldie !  :D

Let alone brands, dont even grade it, the marketing gimmick known as "player Willow" in my opinion is a myth. Not trying to sound pretentious but i know and  have played with a lot of professional players and worked for the ICC and my State association, they have all used varying things, this common myth that they have to be 12+ grains no blemishes at all is a load of horse.  I wont name names but one pro used a 6 grain bat which had 4 big knots in the face near the middle and he hit the ball as far as anyone running around

We get taken for a ride and really should be boycotting the ridiculous prices but unfortunately thats the material world we live in
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2017, 10:17:39 AM »

Let alone brands, dont even grade it, the marketing gimmick known as "player Willow" in my opinion is a myth. Not trying to sound pretentious but i know and  have played with a lot of professional players and worked for the ICC and my State association, they have all used varying things, this common myth that they have to be 12+ grains no blemishes at all is a load of horse.  I wont name names but one pro used a 6 grain bat which had 4 big knots in the face near the middle and he hit the ball as far as anyone running around

We get taken for a ride and really should be boycotting the ridiculous prices but unfortunately thats the material world we live in

I'm with you.

For me, bats either ping or they dont, regardless of Grains/density/Heartwood.

I very much doubt that any brand "Ping tests" every bat before it leaves the workshop, (who's got time for that?) so you've got to get to the shop and do it yourself to find them.

Only "Holy Grail" bats are worth any kind of serious money. For a bat to be classed as "Holy Grail" it needs to be:

Pingy
15 Ruler straight grains
Low density

Best of luck finding it.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2017, 10:54:43 AM »

I'm with you.

For me, bats either ping or they dont, regardless of Grains/density/Heartwood.

I very much doubt that any brand "Ping tests" every bat before it leaves the workshop, (who's got time for that?) so you've got to get to the shop and do it yourself to find them.

Only "Holy Grail" bats are worth any kind of serious money. For a bat to be classed as "Holy Grail" it needs to be:

Pingy
15 Ruler straight grains
Low density

Best of luck finding it.

The holy grail is such a varied thing tho,
why low density? if a bat pings, who cares what the density is, and really the look factor purely sells bats as people almost cream themselves over a bat with grains. I keep seeing Gunn and moore Limited editions which look great but ping like my front door.
Ive used everywhere from 3 grains to 36 grains, at the end of the day, i still nick them, i still get bowled. It doesnt matter how it looks to me
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2017, 03:20:34 PM »

The holy grail is such a varied thing tho,
why low density? if a bat pings, who cares what the density is, and really the look factor purely sells bats as people almost cream themselves over a bat with grains. I keep seeing Gunn and moore Limited editions which look great but ping like my front door.
Ive used everywhere from 3 grains to 36 grains, at the end of the day, i still nick them, i still get bowled. It doesnt matter how it looks to me

I see your point.

Low density because it allows for a bigger bat at the desired weight.

15 straight grains because my potato prints are never going to outpoint Pablo Picasso in the desirability stakes.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2017, 04:13:08 PM »

Outrageous to say the least. Stop buying locally and hopefully they would learn.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2017, 07:35:29 PM »

Do low density bats actually ping better?
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2017, 07:39:52 PM »

Do low density bats actually ping better?

I'm sure you've asked this once a week for the last year
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2017, 07:46:16 PM »

I'm sure you've asked this once a week for the last year

I've not asked for ages. I'm still no closer to finding the answer, but I'd kind of given up on getting an answer.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2017, 07:55:39 PM »

I've not asked for ages. I'm still no closer to finding the answer, but I'd kind of given up on getting an answer.

Why don't you buy one, use it then let us know the results?
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2017, 08:01:44 PM »

Why don't you buy one, use it then let us know the results?

I've got a bat that's perfectly good for my requirements. And there are things I'd much rather spend 500 on.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2017, 08:05:57 PM »

The answer shouldn't bother you then
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2017, 08:11:37 PM »

The answer shouldn't bother you then

I have interest in cricket, consumer capitalism and physics.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2017, 08:22:44 PM »

Ah right fair enough mis-informed then.
Was also informed 3 top spec batting gloves would be over 100 and the top WK gloves have risen to over 200?
You're not far off, I think. 2018 Legend RRP is 999.
 
Powerbow 6 and Legend gloves RRP at over 100. Kronus gloves (Hales new model) just under 100.The Top WK gloves are RRP 250.

Bear in mind though, these are RRP. Pretty much no retailer sells at RRP.
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2017, 08:30:15 PM »

Cheaper option is buy a dense Kashmir willow bat and see if it is worse. In theory lower density willow should be *better* for a variety of theoretical reasons but the final product of a variable material and process is exactly that. A guy I net with picked up the cheapest Kashmir bat he liked the stickers of in the local sports shop and ball comes off that thing better than any bat I've seen. Probably a bit of a freak but still shows bats are pretty individual things *

Back on topic, silly price for a bit of wood but if it makes someone happy then hey

* unless we talk about GM consistency :)
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Re: Kooka 2017/18
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2017, 03:54:36 AM »

Pricing is getting crazier as they can be.
Food for thought :
Bats are still being made from the same willows
As ever.
No new variety or grades have been discovered
As yet.
If the new ones are the best willows, then last
Year and before and before..... which were those willows??
Are these bats just meant for rich brats to brag as the
Proud limited owners ???
World knows now India is super power in making bats for
Most brands world wide!!! Still people want to spend for stickers
$1500 come on still can digest ......

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