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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2955 on: January 09, 2018, 09:26:57 AM »

That might be a tad harsh on Shaun Marsh!

If we went for four bowlers it's probably:
Cook on a technicality
Warner
Root
Smith
Marsh S
Malan
Bairstow
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Anderson/Hazlewood

I did think it was a bit harsh too, but you need to look at the bowling attacks faced! Malan batted really well when all around him were struggling against a very strong, quick and positive attack who looked well up for it! Whereas Marsh was facing a more tired looking (and slightly negative looking, some would say toothless) bowling attack. This is the same reason I picked Bairstow over Paine!
But I would have done the same team as you if I had have not kept my players in their strict positions!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2956 on: January 09, 2018, 09:40:06 AM »

They do need to get the players to work on their weaknesses!
MV was saying that Malan was in the nets and working on his batting a lot of the time. 
Now taking Stoneman as an example - beware the bouncer and yet he didn't see him working on that in the nets at all!! Stoneman was just getting throw downs and no bouncers to work on. Is that the coaches fault or the players fault?

Very good point -

Stoneman against the short ball
Vince against anything outside off stump
Ali getting out 7 times LBW to the off-spinner (?)

With the amount of backroom staff on this tour, between analysts, coaches, the player themselves and the bloke who sews the labels into their underpants - how does no-one recognise these repeated failures and try to rectify them?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2957 on: January 09, 2018, 09:41:15 AM »

Unless he is reacting to the live cricket, I don't believe a word that comes out of Michael Vaughan's mouth.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2958 on: January 09, 2018, 09:43:36 AM »

Very good point -

Stoneman against the short ball
Vince against anything outside off stump
Ali getting out 7 times LBW to the off-spinner (?)

With the amount of backroom staff on this tour, between analysts, coaches, the player themselves and the bloke who sews the labels into their underpants - how does no-one recognise these repeated failures and try to rectify them?

I have no idea! Someone should have been looking at these repeated failures and working on them constantly!!
As I said, was it pure coincidence that Malan was working on his failures in the nets most of the time (according to MV) and he batted well?  ;)
I know MV can come out with some tripe, but this is one time he may have a point!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2959 on: January 09, 2018, 10:55:40 AM »

International Cricket seems to lack forward planning and there are too many games for the players and coaches to try and keep on top of at the last minute, all of which are "must win".  Rather than fighting fires, being underprepared/ injured/ burnt out/ etc they would be better off prioritising to peak as a team for the right times which seems a million miles away from the way it currently is. Sounds simple but someone from outside cricket could give the preparation a right kick up the backside rather than bumbling from series to series, game to game
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2960 on: January 09, 2018, 05:39:31 PM »

It's bloody hard to change your technique in the middle of a tour. It's not like the old days where a tour lasted 4 months and you had two weeks between tests, with enough time to fit in a practice game in between every test.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2961 on: January 09, 2018, 05:56:43 PM »

It's bloody hard to change your technique in the middle of a tour. It's not like the old days where a tour lasted 4 months and you had two weeks between tests, with enough time to fit in a practice game in between every test.
Very true this, Malan's a good example - when he debuted a lot was made of him being slightly closed off and stuck with it even though he didn't go too well vs the SA pacers, some time off and he made the change for Aus, with success.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2962 on: January 09, 2018, 07:02:52 PM »

You might be motivated to try and change your technique on a short tour if the same bloody ball keeps getting you out!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2963 on: January 09, 2018, 08:11:06 PM »

If you haven't read this yet, you should.

One Englishman who had an exceptional tour.... George Dobell

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22000001/tea-sympathy-suffice-england-face-another-drubbing
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2964 on: January 11, 2018, 10:14:51 AM »

Wow what an article!
For me it's all spot on
Nail on the heads would be an understatement
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2965 on: March 27, 2018, 05:05:43 AM »

Australian Schedule

Feb-Apr Tour S.A
Jun-Jul Zim tour Aus
Jul Ban Tour Aus

Ill put my money on Warner

Bump

Do you still put your money on Warner?

Average of 90 in SA has taken a drastic dip and it aint seem like helol be back anytime to rectify his average after the massive hole hes dug for himself :D

Like I said Warner has been in decline and the hill is a wee bit too stiff for him to try get back on the incline lol

Aint funniest post of the year now is it
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2966 on: March 27, 2018, 08:04:50 AM »

Bump

Do you still put your money on Warner?

Average of 90 in SA has taken a drastic dip and it aint seem like helol be back anytime to rectify his average after the massive hole hes dug for himself :D

Like I said Warner has been in decline and the hill is a wee bit too stiff for him to try get back on the incline lol

Aint funniest post of the year now is it ?



Average cant go down if you arent batting so funniest post still stands 😂🤪🏏
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2967 on: March 28, 2018, 02:18:20 PM »

Anyone else think England are now a great price to win the next Ashes series at 2/1? (I assume Betting chat is ok? - apologies if it is not)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2968 on: March 28, 2018, 02:20:43 PM »

Anyone else think England are now a great price to win the next Ashes series at 2/1? (I assume Betting chat is ok? - apologies if it is not)

Betting talk is fine mate.

I think the reason they are so short is because they're at home. I imagine they would have been hovering around 5/2 and 9/4 before this all kicked off anyway.

Smith will be back for the Ashes.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2969 on: March 28, 2018, 02:22:58 PM »

Cool.

And yeah I'm saying I think 2/1 is a huge price still. My understanding is that they have been this price for a while now (I checked immediately after the culmination of the most recent series).

However, Warner could well knock red ball cricket on the head?

Smith is going to be older & more out of nick

Aussies going to be careful of pushing the line in any form (youd hope)

In English conditions as we all know, it is a different ball game.

Myself I'd almost have the series as a pickem rather than Australia favs.
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