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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1920 on: December 08, 2017, 09:33:51 AM »

I've never seen Wood regularly bowl 90mph.The odd one might hit 90 but I'd be more to say he was slippery,rather than out and out pace like Cummins or Stark.
So we've been looking for a new opening partner for Cook for ages,now we've found Stoneman who,despite looking decent and gutsy,hasn't yet scored a ton.
But now we need a replacement partner for Stoneman, apparently...!
We also need a replacement spinner for Ali,as he can't spin the ball anymore. And a replacement batsman for Ali,because he can't bat against,erm,off spin!
Where are the positives,someone?anyone?!

Your  right he doesn't  but  either does anyone you don't need to hit 90 mph every ball just land the ball in the right areas
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1921 on: December 08, 2017, 09:55:53 AM »

Your  right he doesn't  but  either does anyone you don't need to hit 90 mph every ball just land the ball in the right areas

Unfortunately Wood doesn't do that consistently either though...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1922 on: December 08, 2017, 10:00:58 AM »

Good write up from Bairstow here about the first 2 tests, also hints that he wont be moving up the order, but I get the impression, from the brief sentence, he wants to.   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-5157323/JONNY-BAIRSTOW-Ive-sledged-not-lost-friends.html
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1923 on: December 08, 2017, 10:32:21 AM »

Great little write up that
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1924 on: December 08, 2017, 11:57:59 AM »

So Moeen is quite unlikely to bowl in the warm up, which is the main reason I assumed he was the only one from the Test team who was playing!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21707649/moeen-ali-skip-bowling-perth-warm-up
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1925 on: December 08, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »

Guardian reports he is bowling in this match.he is clearly hampered by the finger injury, how much of an impact he would have fully fit is debatable anyway on these pitches, Lyon is a better bowler and gets more on the ball.
Mason crane may yet play on the tour, he is good enough to play for NSW.

If Stokes was in the team Im convinced we would be playing 2 spinners and leaving out 1 seamer
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1926 on: December 08, 2017, 12:58:42 PM »

Hearing Mason Crane is going to play next test. I'm assuming Ali playing this game might decide if he will play as a batsmen.
Got a feeling we are going to struggle next 3 tests now tbh but walk all over them in the odis with a squad full off players trying to prove a point.
The preparation for this tour has been their biggest downfall and the reason the series has gone the way it has.
Still reckon with everyone available for both teams england are stronger on paper.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1927 on: December 08, 2017, 01:05:46 PM »

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1928 on: December 08, 2017, 01:29:56 PM »

Guardian reports he is bowling in this match.he is clearly hampered by the finger injury, how much of an impact he would have fully fit is debatable anyway on these pitches, Lyon is a better bowler and gets more on the ball.
Mason crane may yet play on the tour, he is good enough to play for NSW.

If Stokes was in the team Im convinced we would be playing 2 spinners and leaving out 1 seamer

From said article...
"I probably won't bowl this game," Moeen said. "Just so my finger has more time. It needs to heal. As soon as I start bowling, it starts to rip a little."
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1929 on: December 08, 2017, 01:39:15 PM »

Just reminds me of previous ashes tours - picking injured players and them breaking down half way through a tour.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1930 on: December 08, 2017, 06:59:46 PM »

Hearing Mason Crane is going to play next test. I'm assuming Ali playing this game might decide if he will play as a batsmen.
Got a feeling we are going to struggle next 3 tests now tbh but walk all over them in the odis with a squad full off players trying to prove a point.
The preparation for this tour has been their biggest downfall and the reason the series has gone the way it has.
Still reckon with everyone available for both teams england are stronger on paper.



Not trying to be a smartarse of argumentative here ....legit questions here  . Of course everyone has their opinion and thats cool , you think with both teams having best available teams that eng are stronger .
What would it take for you to change your mind ? If australia win 5-0 will you think that stokes wouldn't have been able to bridge such a gap ? Or would you think that if stokes was there that a 5-0 loss could become a series victory ?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1931 on: December 08, 2017, 07:54:02 PM »

Not trying to be a smartarse of argumentative here ....legit questions here  . Of course everyone has their opinion and thats cool , you think with both teams having best available teams that eng are stronger .
What would it take for you to change your mind ? If australia win 5-0 will you think that stokes wouldn't have been able to bridge such a gap ? Or would you think that if stokes was there that a 5-0 loss could become a series victory ?

Thats for the OP to answer.  I will make one point though - it would have been a much more interesting series with Stokes in the England side than it is without.  England would have been a balanced side packed with batting options, and would have gone in believing they were good enough to win, whereas I think what we see now is a team that thinks it might possibly be maybe almost good enough if things go their way, and would have had selections options such as Crane for Ali and the like because of that balance.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1932 on: December 08, 2017, 08:10:55 PM »

I don't think England are stronger on paper or on grass. I think it's pretty even.before the tour started I thought we could retain the ashes perhaps with a narrow win or a draw.

The Aussie bowlers in Oz conditions are better than ours, if they stay fit as has been said before, it's advantage Australia.

We have actually competed in the tests and been let down in sessions by bowlers or batsmen. It's 0-2 and the scoreboard never lies.

Think of it like this thou. Take Smith out of your team and that's the impact Stokes not playing has had on ours, only if Smith don't play someone else skippers and you need another batsmen. We need a world class allrounder and the Tailsman of the team.

He's as important as Root and we cannot balance the team without him. Yes he is only one player but it's his attitude and nature we are missing. We look like half a team.we are getting run over and cannot fight back. Stokes won't give it up and he drags everyone else up with him.

There's different opinions on here whether Ben should be allowed to play or not, different views of what he did, he may be charged, he may not.at the moment he has not been charged with anything.

The back up players, some are not good enough it's really that simple. A few players have carried us in the last couple of years, in England our bowlers get assistance and can paper over the cracks.

As an England fan, I'm a bit sad but not distraught the Ashes are slipping away, we won't lose 5-0 like the last tour-and we had more world class players then.

we need to fight and compete as much as we can,England have the same problems now as we did 2 years ago-lack of a specialist spinner and lack of quality batsmen.

Your a decent cricket fan, you must know Australia are not great compared  to a few years ago. The two teams are quite close together.

If the test series was in England right now what would you have the score at?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1933 on: December 08, 2017, 08:15:15 PM »

It is such a shame about Stokes because he really has I believe ruined what could have been a very close series.

The major difference is the selection options you get when Stokes plays. The possibility of playing 2 spinners, our tail suddenly doesn't look so fragile either as Woakes would be at 9 etc...

But hey ho... we have got what we've got.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1934 on: December 08, 2017, 08:45:15 PM »

What they've got is a chance to grow a pair, and make the most of an opportunity they will look back on for the rest of their lives.

Show the aussies, their bowlings mediocre and their batting fragile, and that all those years of ecb funded coaching and mothering really meant something.

Yeah whatever
Should be a close series on paper, even without stokes, it's been good to watch, whatever happens
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