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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2018, 04:33:19 PM »

Actually, unless your league has specifically written an exception into its playing conditions, it applies to all levels of cricket.

I don't think that is the case. As Edge says unless it's specifically stated it won't effect club players until at least 2020.
I'm sure there was something about being able to continue using illegal sticks for the natural life of the bat too, but I'm not sure that is enforceable.

Out of curiosity I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section, but a thrilling 2 pages detailing the size and location of sponsors logos that are permitted on shirts and jumpers!
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2019, 11:25:02 AM »

Been a while since the last post on here, but here's a fresh stick in the finishing stages, destined for a forumite:

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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2019, 12:11:49 PM »

Ive not seen a clamp like that since A Level biology!

Looks a lovely shape, Ill be keeping an eye out for the pictures of the finished article.
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2019, 12:44:16 PM »

Ive not seen a clamp like that since A Level biology!
Why were you using a bike workstand in biology?! 😂
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« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2019, 01:01:17 PM »

I don't think that is the case. As Edge says unless it's specifically stated it won't effect club players until at least 2020.
I'm sure there was something about being able to continue using illegal sticks for the natural life of the bat too, but I'm not sure that is enforceable.

Out of curiosity I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section, but a thrilling 2 pages detailing the size and location of sponsors logos that are permitted on shirts and jumpers!

It's in the Laws, so the only case in which it doesn't apply is if the local playing conditions explicitly contradict it.

"5.7 Bat size limits
5.7.1 The overall length of the bat, when the lower portion of the handle is inserted, shall not be more than 38 in/96.52 cm.
5.7.2 The blade of the bat shall not exceed the following dimensions:
Width: 4.25in / 10.8 cm
Depth: 2.64in / 6.7 cm
Edges: 1.56in / 4.0cm."

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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2019, 01:28:53 PM »

It's in the Laws, so the only case in which it doesn't apply is if the local playing conditions explicitly contradict it.

"5.7 Bat size limits
5.7.1 The overall length of the bat, when the lower portion of the handle is inserted, shall not be more than 38 in/96.52 cm.
5.7.2 The blade of the bat shall not exceed the following dimensions:
Width: 4.25in / 10.8 cm
Depth: 2.64in / 6.7 cm
Edges: 1.56in / 4.0cm."

yeah, thats for professional cricket or any new bats manufactured after a certiain date if those bats wanted to be used in first class cricket etc,

they also said the natural lifespan of any bats manufactured before the laws changed then the no pro player could still use them.

if this was to be enforced on all old bats can you imagine how many amateurs would have to buy a new bat or stop playing! it would be stupid!
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« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2019, 02:01:47 PM »

yeah, thats for professional cricket or any new bats manufactured after a certiain date if those bats wanted to be used in first class cricket etc,

they also said the natural lifespan of any bats manufactured before the laws changed then the no pro player could still use them.

if this was to be enforced on all old bats can you imagine how many amateurs would have to buy a new bat or stop playing! it would be stupid!

What makes you think that? These are literally the laws of cricket. All cricket in the UK is by default played by these laws unless local playing conditions specifically override them.
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2019, 02:11:25 PM »

What makes you think that? These are literally the laws of cricket. All cricket in the UK is by default played by these laws unless local playing conditions specifically override them.

the announcement from the ICC at the time of the change.

it was made very clear then, Im looking for the article now
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« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2019, 03:08:28 PM »

the announcement from the ICC at the time of the change.

it was made very clear then, Im looking for the article now

What the ICC thinks is irrelevant, the ICC are not the ultimate authority on the laws of cricket, the MCC are, and if its in the laws, then its in the laws.

Our league regulations state "Matches shall be conducted in accordance with M.C.C. Laws with the exceptions contained in these Rules", I'm sure yours do too.

They also say nothing about bat size regulations that overrules Law 5.7. Thus, those regulations ARE in force in our league. They'll be in effect by default in every league in the UK, that hasn't explicitly inserted a clause into its playing regulations to override it.
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2019, 03:11:36 PM »

Edge,,,,,lovely lovely shape,,,,picks up like a feather Ill bet
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2019, 03:44:43 PM »

What the ICC thinks is irrelevant, the ICC are not the ultimate authority on the laws of cricket, the MCC are, and if its in the laws, then its in the laws.

Our league regulations state "Matches shall be conducted in accordance with M.C.C. Laws with the exceptions contained in these Rules", I'm sure yours do too.

They also say nothing about bat size regulations that overrules Law 5.7. Thus, those regulations ARE in force in our league. They'll be in effect by default in every league in the UK, that hasn't explicitly inserted a clause into its playing regulations to override it.

From B3's website about the changes. They are not in force in the recreational game yet.

https://b3cricket.com/latest/mcc-law-cricket-bat-size-regulations/

Also - lovely shape and looking bat @edge
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2019, 03:50:45 PM »

From B3's website about the changes. They are not in force in the recreational game yet.

https://b3cricket.com/latest/mcc-law-cricket-bat-size-regulations/

Also - lovely shape and looking bat @edge

I love B3, but that's nonsense.

The bat size regulations are now part of the laws, like they're literally written there in black and white. They're as much as part of the laws as the lbw rule. The laws of cricket apply to every game of cricket, whether amateur or professional. Unless the game you are playing in has specific exemptions written into the playing conditions, then this applies to you.

I'm not sure how clearer I can make this. What is it that you're not understanding? Do you not understand that they're in the laws, or do you not understand that the laws apply to all forms of cricket unless overruled by specific playing conditions?



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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2019, 03:53:54 PM »

I love B3, but that's nonsense.

The bat size regulations are now part of the laws, like they're literally written there in black and white. They're as much as part of the laws as the lbw rule. The laws of cricket apply to every game of cricket, whether amateur or professional. Unless the game you are playing in has specific exemptions written into the playing conditions, then this applies to you.

I'm not sure how clearer I can make this. What is it that you're not understanding? Do you not understand that they're in the laws, or do you not understand that the laws apply to all forms of cricket unless overruled by specific playing conditions?

MCC has announced specific limitations on the size of cricket bats that will be included in the new Code of Laws.

Bat size limitations to become Law, modes of dismissal to be reduced and language of the Laws to cater for both sexes.
Batsmen will be protected from bouncing bat run outs.
New Code of Laws will be the first to be issued since 2000.
After the new Code is issued on 1 October 2017, the maximum dimensions of a cricket bat will be 108mm in width, 67mm in depth with 40mm edges.

The move comes after consultations with bat manufacturers, the Federation of International Cricketers Associations, International Cricket Council, MCC World Cricket committee, umpires associations and other global governing bodies on the balance between bat and ball.

A bat gauge will ensure that the new limits are adhered to in the professional game, whilst a moratorium period, allowing players to use their existing bats which may be in breach of the Law, will be allowed in the amateur game. The length of the moratorium will be determined by local governing bodies and may vary for different levels of cricket

to quote @SLA  "Im not sure how clearer I can make this..." read the above including the red part
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2019, 04:00:49 PM »

MCC has announced specific limitations on the size of cricket bats that will be included in the new Code of Laws.

Bat size limitations to become Law, modes of dismissal to be reduced and language of the Laws to cater for both sexes.
Batsmen will be protected from bouncing bat run outs.
New Code of Laws will be the first to be issued since 2000.
After the new Code is issued on 1 October 2017, the maximum dimensions of a cricket bat will be 108mm in width, 67mm in depth with 40mm edges.

The move comes after consultations with bat manufacturers, the Federation of International Cricketers Associations, International Cricket Council, MCC World Cricket committee, umpires associations and other global governing bodies on the balance between bat and ball.

A bat gauge will ensure that the new limits are adhered to in the professional game, whilst a moratorium period, allowing players to use their existing bats which may be in breach of the Law, will be allowed in the amateur game.

to quote @SLA  "Im not sure how clearer I can make this..." read the above including the red part

Sigh. Why are you quoting an old out-of-date press release at me? Obviously I've read the old press release, I read it at the time, I'm well aware of what they claimed they were going to do, I'm not an idiot.


But the bottom line is, whether or not that is what they intended, it isn't what has happened. The new bat size limits ARE part of the laws, and the laws apply to all forms of cricket, by default.

So you can forget all this (No Swearing Please) about a moratorium until 2020. Unless your league has written an exemption into its playing conditions, the bat size laws do apply to YOUR league and have done so since the moment law 5.7 was introduced.
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Re: Edge batmaking
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2019, 04:03:25 PM »

I just checked the rules for the league I play in, there wasn't a single mention of bats under the equipment section

So law 5.7 is in force by default then, because presumably your league regs also say "All games to be played according to MCC Laws of cricket unless stated otherwise".
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