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Another Mankad!
« on: October 18, 2017, 12:50:42 PM »

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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 01:12:59 PM »

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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 01:16:58 PM »

Just going to leave this here

https://twitter.com/im_salmanbutt/status/920534699071680512

Salman Butt is a fine one to preach about the "spirit of the game"!
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 01:37:14 PM »

Mankads are always the best, and the fact that this one has Salman Butt moaning about the spirit of the game makes this the best Mankad, and therefore the best thing that has ever happened in cricket.

Love it.

Kudos to the bowler for managing to take off the bails without his knee exploding into a million fragments, that looked pretty painful.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 06:16:34 PM »

Laws have been changed to make the onus to be on the batsman to be in their ground.

There is no issue with this other than the batsman being careless.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 09:25:48 PM »

(No Swearing Please) way to win a game of cricket.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 07:45:13 AM »

Why not to back up with your bat in the wrong hand, pretty basic stuff!
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2017, 07:49:45 AM »

purely the batsmen trying to steal a yard

no sympathy at all

stay in your crease until ball delivered its not rocket science
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 08:25:59 AM »

I can't stand Mankad's. With the new law it means bowlers can go 99% through their delivery, hold on to the ball at the very last millisecond and attempt a run out. When you add on the time taken for the bowler to turn after holding on to the ball, a batsman who is backing up perfectly legally to still be in the crease at the time of release will be leaving the crease by the time all this has happened. Feigning a delivery is the same as feigning a run out to stop the run IMO which is also now not allowed

Some utter jeb end tried this on with me having gone through his follow through holding on to the ball and claiming to have run me out. It's a sh... law if it encourages bowlers to try and feign a delivery up until the very last ms and try to steal an advantage on the batsman.

I realise not all Mankads are like this and batsmen can often be taking the Micky too but I don't have any issue with the way things used to be- it still did the trick of reigning in the batsman's eagerness.

That said, the batman in this example was backing up so poorly and wasn't even looking at the bowler so probably deserved to be out for pure shoddiness!

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The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 08:35:49 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but even the new law says the bowler cant pull out of a delivery swing to run someone out

If the batsmen is watching and starts moving as the front foot lands but does not leave the crease until the ball is just about to leave the hand its all good

Batsmen should not be allowed to gain that extra half a yard from leaving the crease before the ball has the left the hand

I had someone once who would run the last 4 yards with me and by the time my front foot landed he was 1 yard out of the crease let alone when I released the ball

he was warned then he laughed and our skipper told him we are serious and will uphold the appeal
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2017, 08:39:35 AM »

I had the same, but they were embarrassed everytime they tried to run me out i was still in the crease, because arm + bat had me standing a yard out of the crease (the correct way to back up)

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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2017, 08:44:54 AM »

Quite right, you can't complete your action then run someone out. Perfectly reasonable way to stop people stealing distance, this kind of thing will only happen for a while before batsmen adjust their behaviour.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2017, 09:02:17 AM »

The law is quoted above, which I understand to mean so long as they don't hold on to the ball passed the point where it would have been released then the they can attempt a run out. It says  "provided he has not completed his usual completed delivery swing" not "provided he has not started or is mid delivery swing".

As a junior I was always coached to watch the bowler following the last few strides and be out of the crease with the bat trailing inside the crease as the ball is delivered to always run the first run very hard. If the bowler can dummy a delivery by pulling out at the last ms then chances are you will be out of the crease even if backing up perfectly legally at the time when the ball would have been delivered. What a shi..tty way to try and get someone out by feigning a delivery right up until the last second.

I think at the end of the day most people would agree if a batsman has been warned once or even twice then they can't be upset whatever the law is. Going for a dismissal the first time the bowler catches the batsman half a mm outside the crease because they feigned a delivery isn't on IMO but that doesn't seem a popular opinion.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 09:06:03 AM »

Whatever the differing views, I've never understood the warning thing? You don't get warned for stumpings do you, which is after all exactly the same thing.
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Re: Another Mankad!
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2017, 09:12:51 AM »

it was always a gentlemen's agreement thing but I never had a problem with giving a warning

most I don't mind as its inches but its the ones that were out of the crease completely before I bowled that irked me

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