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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2018, 05:50:13 PM »

why does the law even exist?

Ive been involved in a game where Ive appealed for this and had it given out. The batsmen charged down the wicket played a defensive shot where he was 3 yards down the track the ball dropped in between him and short leg the batsmen then picked the ball up and threw it straight to the bowler just ahead of short leg grabbing it and flicking it to me stood up behind the stumps. He prevented us making attempt at running him out.

Thats what the law is for, not nonsense like this.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2018, 06:42:44 PM »

Ive been involved in a game where Ive appealed for this and had it given out. The batsmen charged down the wicket played a defensive shot where he was 3 yards down the track the ball dropped in between him and short leg the batsmen then picked the ball up and threw it straight to the bowler just ahead of short leg grabbing it and flicking it to me stood up behind the stumps. He prevented us making attempt at running him out.

Thats what the law is for, not nonsense like this.

in that case, this is the umpire's fault. throwing the ball back to the bowler may, or may not, constitute obstruction of field. in your example it did, yesterday, it did not.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2018, 07:19:34 PM »

I think it was mentioned (Cricinfo) that lots of players on WI team even thought it was dead ball/end of over with folks running on the field with drinks etc.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22130479/on-reflection-withdraw-appeal-emmanuel-stewart

"As there was a break in play, substitutes ran in with drinks under the assumption that the batsman had taken a break. Even West Indies' boundary riders seemed taken aback by the appeal initially."
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2018, 08:00:56 PM »

Best way to get rid of this rubbish would be to change the law so the batsman is out if he handles the ball in any way.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2018, 08:11:30 PM »

Someone needs to have a word with the West Indies kids and tell them a whole lot of history and a legacy even of fantastic players , breathtaking matches and individual brilliance have gone before them that made the people  of the islands stand ten feet tall.

Complete nonsense.
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2018, 10:16:28 PM »

Someone needs to have a word with the West Indies kids and tell them a whole lot of history and a legacy even of fantastic players , breathtaking matches and individual brilliance have gone before them that made the people  of the islands stand ten feet tall.

Complete nonsense.

Plenty of boring people tut-tutted when the great Windies teams were bouncing the crap out of everybody so this incident kinda upholds that legacy in its own way.

Don't pick up the ball unless you've looked at a fielder for approval first, this is basic stuff.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2018, 10:41:28 PM »

Best way to get rid of this rubbish would be to change the law so the batsman is out if he handles the ball in any way.

This.. just dont touch it. Its not a nice way but the law is the law and there is no spirit of Cricket now sadly
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2018, 11:15:38 PM »

Windies captain on cricinfo now says he knows the letter of the law and should of withdrawn the appeal. That has to be right....same with the collingwood/side bottom run out with grant Elliott...wrong at the time and regretted after

And Big Mac I'm sure you know your cricket history, every team that has had intimidatory fast bowlers has used them. Australia in the 70's , windies in the 80's

The biggest 'culprit for bouncing the crap out of anyone' was

England. Body line.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2018, 11:28:15 PM »

Plenty of boring people tut-tutted when the great Windies teams were bouncing the crap out of everybody so this incident kinda upholds that legacy in its own way.

Don't pick up the ball unless you've looked at a fielder for approval first, this is basic stuff.

The Windies of the 80s only decided to get nasty after Thompson & Lillee bounced their tail in Australia in the late 70s

That is not the same as this incident which is a joke dismissal. Windies captain was wrong Yes but for me the match officials should have been stronger.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2018, 12:09:15 AM »

in that case, this is the umpire's fault. throwing the ball back to the bowler may, or may not, constitute obstruction of field. in your example it did, yesterday, it did not.

I completely agree, umpires just had to say ball was stationary batsmen were not obstructing any close fielders no run was being taken therefore we considered the ball to be dead
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2018, 02:44:57 AM »

When it went to the 3rd umpire, he had no choice but to give it out. That was the common sense irrespective of what people might say.

As for the incident, I am with Mitchell Johnson on this: Spirit of the game is in following the laws. This incident happening yesterday and the furore surrounding it will ensure it doesn't happen in future.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2018, 07:36:35 AM »

When it went to the 3rd umpire, he had no choice but to give it out. That was the common sense irrespective of what people might say.

As for the incident, I am with Mitchell Johnson on this: Spirit of the game is in following the laws. This incident happening yesterday and the furore surrounding it will ensure it doesn't happen in future.
so your ok with doing anything that doesn't break a law in order to win the game?
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2018, 07:54:19 AM »

so your ok with doing anything that doesn't break a law in order to win the game?
Can you elaborate with an example of what you mean by 'doing anything to win'? Spirit of the game is very arbitrary and subjective. Sledging is a perfect example. Someone might think funny banter is ok but others might perceive it as sledging or a means of upsetting someone's concentration and therefore not in the spirit of the game.
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2018, 07:57:50 AM »

Can you elaborate with an example of what you mean by 'doing anything to win'? Spirit of the game is very arbitrary and subjective. Sledging is a perfect example. Someone might think funny banter is ok but others might perceive it as sledging or a means of upsetting someone's concentration and therefore not in the spirit of the game.

You said 'Spirit of the game is in following the laws', do you mean that as long as you follow the law you mean that you're playing the game in the right spirit?
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Re: Spirit of Cricket?
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2018, 08:15:28 AM »

Can you elaborate with an example of what you mean by 'doing anything to win'? Spirit of the game is very arbitrary and subjective. Sledging is a perfect example. Someone might think funny banter is ok but others might perceive it as sledging or a means of upsetting someone's concentration and therefore not in the spirit of the game.

You could say law 42 stops sledging and that its only because umpires dont enforce the law that sledging is able to happen. Meaning that just because an umpire doesnt prosecute the laws at all times doesnt mean players shouldnt play to the laws. Its not that subjective really, the problem is umpires not enforcing the laws fully and so we now have a situation where the laws actually dont allow verbal distraction before or after a delivery but players believe sledging is allowed.

Just to use your example (although Ill check law 42 with our resident geek later today)
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