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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2018, 11:01:09 AM »

Right then might as well start practising the reverse sweep and the ramp-looks easy on the telly

Its T20 or nowt!
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 11:34:24 AM »

Early start is always discussed what I don't get its agreed to for August  onwards but not agreed to from the start of the season
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 11:47:27 AM »

I play IAnson league which cuts across parts of Surrey, Sussex and Hants.

We play 45 overs each way for top 3 divs and 40 for bottom 3 divs, with a 1pm start and tea around 4. We also have a leg side wide rule so can end up with anywhere between 4-10 (yes 10!) extra overs each innings.

In the longer version if the game goes the full duration we may not finish till after 7. So although in most cases the drive for an away game is only 20-30 mins this still means that once you change and pack you arent home till 8, which does cause challenges if the wife has arranged for us to go out.

Have asked why we dont start earlier as would suit me and many others in my club, and got told its because a lot of people work sat mornings. Hopefully playing 2s next season so shorter games, but does mean less overs per bowler :-(
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 12:01:46 PM »

It's not just Saturday workers who want to start late. I don't want a pre-lunchtime start.  1pm is more than early enough.  I would not get to see my kid at all on a Saturday if it was an 11am start.  Travel is regularly an hour, if not longer (I'm lucky to be based centrally), meaning to add a decent warm up in, you're looking at a 9am meet time most weeks, and 10am if playing at home.  45-50 overs, plus a tea break, is at least 6 hours, social time afterwards, travel back and it's already bed time for the bairn. At least with a 1 pm start, I get a few hours with the bairn in the morning.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 12:26:14 PM »

I'd be really interested to see what happened if a city league somewhere started up playing t20, start at 1pm finish around 4pm. Obvious issues with people not getting a game but have a sneaking suspicion it might be a massive success with the casual cricketers.

This could be the answer for many but I, along with many others, prefer going out for the whole day!  :)

We have a midweek league, 6.30pm starts and 16 overs a side (and these games sometimes finish in the dark...) 
You see a lot of old faces, who no longer give up their whole Saturday for cricket, turning out for a bit of hit and giggle!
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2018, 12:51:49 PM »

Our Sunday team, admittedly it is only friendlies, is going 1.30pm start - 35 overs per side - quick cup of tea - straight back out - food and drinks after the game. We can only do this for our home games where we make the calls, but it is already getting more people interested in playing more this year.

Anything that gets more people willing to play, but still means everyone can have a full game is good. It is a tough thing to balance, but the leagues, and teams need to adapt. I guess soon that people will be getting their self driving cars to the games so they can eat their BP sandwich on the way!
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2018, 01:03:18 PM »

I'd be really interested to see what happened if a city league somewhere started up playing t20, start at 1pm finish around 4pm. Obvious issues with people not getting a game but have a sneaking suspicion it might be a massive success with the casual cricketers.

Know a few lads who play in the 30ov league in the Bristol and District and love the format/early finishes.
Wouldn't be for me, but I've always thought that we should start at 12pm.Hate the waiting around on Saturday mornings, not having enough time to do stuff with the family.At least with an early start, at least I'd be back at a reasonable hour.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2018, 01:19:39 PM »

I think a full pyramid system fails the non-elite players. After 10 years watching and umpiring I keep seeing the following: -


Slow over rates in lower divisions
Tea Intervals almost always overrun
Large leagues with promotion and relegation lead to more travelling
No school cricket leads to too many kids wanting to play weekend club cricket. Creates transport and safeguarding issues
Too many juniors in senior sides means many seniors move clubs or stop playing
Too many teams running junior sections leads to availability issues/mismatches for junior matches and cancellations


I like the Jersey cricket model. Outside of top division it's basically 40 overs max, coloured kit, 1pm-6pm matches. They run 2 seasons a year with relegation and promotion and a T20 competition mid-season. Family/work friendly cricket leads to more players (junior and senior). People continuing to play when older, better social lives etc. I guess it's easier when you only have a few grounds and a limited geography but there are some lessons here.






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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2018, 01:41:51 PM »

For the 1st time in it's history the FCCL is going to win/lose 40 over cricket this year - in a bid to keep more people interested etc....

However already the following has been done to reduce playing time -

You are allowed to arrange a 1hr earlier start time with the opposition (and umpires if applicable) - this would be 12.30pm
20 minutes for tea - that's Umpires/Fielding Team must be out on the field after 20 minutes
Over rates penalties have been brought in - teams must now bowl their overs in 2 hrs 30mins - penalty of 6 runs per over they are over the time..... so in theory the total time should be -

5hrs - overs both innings
20 mins - tea
10 mins - adhoc
5hrs 30mins - total

If you start at 1.30pm (normal start time) you should finish at 7pm latest.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2018, 05:31:36 PM »

This forum and we (people from leagues and clubs) have this debate every year but the reality is no one thing will revive Cricket. For every player someone says will be attracted another will quit. The game needs to provide for all standards of players the ability to play all the formats as each format requires different skills. If you limit it to one format you essentially force those not willing or in possession of said skills into retirement or they never join/stay in the game.

Reducing then overs seems to be the go too solution but then that means less get a game and removes a lot of skills and tactics from the game. Go back to draw Cricket and its regarded as boring and long. Either way you will lose players and potentially those who run teams and clubs.

Its an impossible situation and we all will land on the side that our game naturally gravitates towards. For a truely balanced view you have to look at it from the view of a hitter, a plodder, the young, the old, the flight spinner, the dart spinner, the volunteers and then thing about all the skills that are involved in the different formats.

Very hard and no one will agree because whatever you do we will lose players so Id venture that across the board its not a gain or loss as itll balance out.. the danger is in losing the age range who currently or will become those who run clubs .. no club.. no game
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 05:55:55 PM »

This forum and we (people from leagues and clubs) have this debate every year but the reality is no one thing will revive Cricket. For every player someone says will be attracted another will quit. The game needs to provide and standard of player the ability to play all the formats as each format requires different skills. If you limit it to one format you essentially force those not willing or in possession of said skills into retirement or they never join/stay in the game.

Reducing then overs seems to be the go too solution but then that means less get a game and removes a lot of skills and tactics from the game. Go back to draw Cricket and its regarded as boring and long. Either way you will lose players and potentially those who run teams and clubs.

Its an impossible situation and we all will land on the side that our game naturally gravitates towards. For a truely balanced view you have to look at it from the view of a hitter, a plodder, the young, the old, the flight spinner, the dart spinner, the volunteers and then thing about all the skills that are involved in the different formats.

Very hard and no one will agree because whatever you do we will lose players so Id venture that across the board its not a gain or loss as itll balance out.. the danger is in losing the age range who currently or will become those who run clubs .. no club.. no game
Think that's probably pretty fair, possibly we'll end up with bit of a divergence in formats to cater for different needs/tastes with some playing 45/50 some playing 20/30 overs. Be a complicated old business both making that happen and keeping everyone happy though! Shortening overs lower down the leagues seems a common thing (and a reasonably successful one by the sounds of it) but then you run into the problem of good players who want short games and the more village players who like a proper length game.

If I was in charge I'd consider suggesting all the Saturday league stuff as shorter overs and some kind of traditional longer overs or time games with a proper tea etc on Sundays, friendly or league depending on what clubs/players wanted. Try and cater for both tastes, don't know how popular that would prove though.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2018, 06:21:22 PM »

Possibly two day cricket played over two Saturdays, my lad plays this in nz and rates it
He plays wepl over here, and hates the distance they have to travel/ late finishes/ , bit of a nightmare if they want to go out on the lash,,,or if they have to work weekend shifts etc
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 06:58:13 PM »

Lower end of the Kent league (Kent regional feed league) has been 40 overs for a few years now. Dont believe that dropping teas has ever been mentioned
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2018, 07:51:35 PM »

I suppose the question that has no answer( I can see anyway) is as the game moves to a shorter format because, let's face it, it's dying as an ameteur sport when the vast majority want it to expand, is how you develop players for a higher standard if everything moves to a 40 over or even 35 over a side league game.....

Personally I'm not against a shorter format if the majority, especially youngsters, prefer it, because the ameteur game desperately needs players.

I think I would sacrifice 10 or 15 overs a match if we could still have tea

I can't be the only one who has righted all the wrongs of the world over a decent cup of tetleys and a sandwich. And bread and jam sometimes

Lovely.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2018, 10:22:54 PM »

I suppose the question that has no answer( I can see anyway) is as the game moves to a shorter format because, let's face it, it's dying as an ameteur sport when the vast majority want it to expand, is how you develop players for a higher standard if everything moves to a 40 over or even 35 over a side league game.....

Personally I'm not against a shorter format if the majority, especially youngsters, prefer it, because the ameteur game desperately needs players.

I think I would sacrifice 10 or 15 overs a match if we could still have tea

I can't be the only one who has righted all the wrongs of the world over a decent cup of tetleys and a sandwich. And bread and jam sometimes

Lovely.

Its defo a hard question to answer and I dont think anyone is even close to it. Shorter games dont tend to lend themselves to older players and those are the people who run clubs. If they arent interested in the formats they wont run clubs. Youth doesnt run clubs (generally.. im sure the odd one does)..

Its an unanswerable question. I think the glos leagues would lose a fair few teams if it drops below 40 overs purely because any less isnt much of a game and a lot of players simply cant or dont want to slog.

I know our club of three sat teams and until last year could put out two Sunday teams would literally only have 12-15 players who would stay in the game for anything less than 40overs. I dont think shortening it would attract anyone we have either sadly.

Im sure other clubs are different and some the same.for every youth you get, youll lose someone else and you always have to think who runs clubs, who does the ground.. usually not the <20 yr olds

Defo a hard question as whatever format you choose the game will lose and gain players
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