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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2018, 09:50:39 PM »

Agreed regarding 20 over and 30 over cricket...I feel that declaration cricket is what is driving youngsters away from the game; especially when they play games where the opposition just block out everything for a draw. I have seen a few games in lower divisions where a couple of old timers walk out and play a blockathon boring everyone to death. This doesnt do any good to the game. In my opinion, all games especially at lower divisions should be limited overs games where both team play to win.


So team a slaps 300, team b loses 5 quick wickets and knows it doesnt have much batting left ... draw fives u Yeah something to play for but win lose gives you nothing. Yet, why would you give it away given youve given your time, money and energy and want to play the game you love..

Draw Cricket gets a bad rep about being boring but there are equally Boring win lose games but people seem to forget them
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2018, 02:42:44 AM »

Agreed regarding 20 over and 30 over cricket...I feel that declaration cricket is what is driving youngsters away from the game; especially when they play games where the opposition just block out everything for a draw. I have seen a few games in lower divisions where a couple of old timers walk out and play a blockathon boring everyone to death. This doesnt do any good to the game. In my opinion, all games especially at lower divisions should be limited overs games where both team play to win.

I agree, result cricket is everything for me. We play 50 over win/ lose and were on the recieving end of two 300+ chases last season. Did I mind losing? Not really, both were brilliant games to play in that went close to the wire. Every run was crucial. Would the opposition have tried to chase the total if batting for a draw was an option? Probably not. They would have blocked and played low risk cricket happy to get their 5 bonus points for 200. There would have been sledging about wasting time, play a shot etc both teams would have gone home slightly bitter

As it was we congratulated the opposition over a few beers - after being pretty severe with ourselves in the dressing room of course

You could make a case for ECB Prems to play some draw/timed cricket where the majority of minor counties players come from but below that no way. You win or you lose, take it on the chin
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2018, 09:24:39 PM »

In a tight league, its also just as important not letting the opposition win. About 10 years ago we played a game early on in the season were getting battered but held out for a draw. The oppo moaned like hell but it was their fault for not getting our tail out. Fast forward to end of season, last game. Three teams in with chance of promotion including us and the team we drew against earlier. If we had rolled over in the earlier game we'd have not been in with a shout of going up.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2018, 10:02:43 PM »

In a tight league, its also just as important not letting the opposition win. About 10 years ago we played a game early on in the season were getting battered but held out for a draw. The oppo moaned like hell but it was their fault for not getting our tail out. Fast forward to end of season, last game. Three teams in with chance of promotion including us and the team we drew against earlier. If we had rolled over in the earlier game we'd have not been in with a shout of going up.

Exactly.. if you cant bowl a team out without them slogging then you dont deserve to win. Draw is way more tactical and so actually more interesting. However, its got a bad rep even though win lose produces just as many boring games.

Either way, it is what it is so we either play the formats or walk away.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2018, 10:37:36 PM »

Problem with draw Cricket is when a side make no attempt at going for a total, its a lot easier to just deadbat everything that is bowled and show absolutely 0 intent than it is to have to try and score runs.

I team shouldnt be rewarded with a draw when theyve made no attempt at even winning the game. If you arent trying to win, especially as draw Cricket is usually the higher level, what is the point in playing?
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2018, 10:47:58 PM »

How often do people actually get good teas?

Not very often. They are usually appalling and I'm amazed I've never had any kind of food poisoning as a result.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2018, 11:05:03 PM »

I also find the point about 'too many youngsters' interesting. While I'm all in favour of getting young people into playing cricket (especially as I largely missed out on this myself), a day in the company of a load of spotty teenagers can be extremely tiresome for a middle-aged man.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2018, 11:10:54 PM »

I also find the point about 'too many youngsters' interesting. While I'm all in favour of getting young people into playing cricket (especially as I largely missed out on this myself), a day in the company of a load of spotty teenagers can be extremely tiresome for a middle-aged man.

Does 23 count as middle-aged?

I was perplexed in a game last season where the youfff were discussing chat snaps and instant gram filters. I wasn't sure half of what they said was even English...

To top it off I was asked by one who I gave a lift to "can you put your foot down on the way home, love island starts in 15 minutes"
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2018, 11:22:09 PM »

I had an experience last season where I realised that my team 'mates' were actually not speaking English (the only language I am able to communicate in). I mentioned it to the captain, and it was inferred that I was being racist. I totally was not.

I thought everyone who used Hunts County gear was middle-aged, Cam?  ;)
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2018, 06:07:13 AM »

Problem with draw Cricket is when a side make no attempt at going for a total, its a lot easier to just deadbat everything that is bowled and show absolutely 0 intent than it is to have to try and score runs.

I team shouldnt be rewarded with a draw when theyve made no attempt at even winning the game. If you arent trying to win, especially as draw Cricket is usually the higher level, what is the point in playing?

How is this different in win lose Cricket ? If team a scores 270and team b loses say 4wixkets quickly (good bowling, bad batting whatever reason you want), if they are weak and know they cant possibly chase the total then the game is over with nothing to play for .. how is that any better or different .. Unless you simply want said team to slog out to hit out or get out so to speak.

This is why whatever format is chosen for every player you think itll keep, itll put off another. Rock and a hard place really
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2018, 09:10:30 AM »

Having Captained in draw cricket  you have to be more tacticlly aware.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2018, 09:15:15 AM »

How is this different in win lose Cricket ? If team a scores 270and team b loses say 4wixkets quickly (good bowling, bad batting whatever reason you want), if they are weak and know they cant possibly chase the total then the game is over with nothing to play for .. how is that any better or different .. Unless you simply want said team to slog out to hit out or get out so to speak.

This is why whatever format is chosen for every player you think itll keep, itll put off another. Rock and a hard place really

Because you are not all stood in a field for no reason at 8pm just waiting for the last few overs to finish. There is nothing worse than playing draw cricket and a side just pulls the shutters down no attempt to win, every single person bored out of their mind waiting for the 40-50 overs to be finished so we can all go home.

If you lose 4 quick wickets still go for the total, if you are all out for 90 so be it. Team A deserve to win, it is a one day game after all.

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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2018, 09:35:44 AM »

Draw cricket   gives weaker teams  in our div an opportunity to get something from the game as the div  is a mismatched.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2018, 09:36:33 AM »

I also find the point about 'too many youngsters' interesting. While I'm all in favour of getting young people into playing cricket (especially as I largely missed out on this myself), a day in the company of a load of spotty teenagers can be extremely tiresome for a middle-aged man.

Yeah, it can be, which is part of the reason I have handed over the captaincy this season. But, we set our Sunday 2s up in part as a vehicle for bringing the kids through, so I guess you should be careful what you wish for! I had hoped to include 2 or possibly 3 kids in my sides last year, but a shortage of seniors (various reasons) pushed the youth quota up to 4, and even 5 on a couple of occasions. This is tough to manage, especially as everybody wants to get a decent game for their 10, and also because the kids can't umpire, or score, or make teas, or drive or even do much to set up the ground when we're at home.
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Re: Hampshire League in trouble...
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2018, 09:41:00 AM »

Yeah, it can be, which is part of the reason I have handed over the captaincy this season. But, we set our Sunday 2s up in part as a vehicle for bringing the kids through, so I guess you should be careful what you wish for! I had hoped to include 2 or possibly 3 kids in my sides last year, but a shortage of seniors (various reasons) pushed the youth quota up to 4, and even 5 on a couple of occasions. This is tough to manage, especially as everybody wants to get a decent game for their 10, and also because the kids can't umpire, or score, or make teas, or drive or even do much to set up the ground when we're at home.

Umpiring I get, but surely someone can teach them to score! Can even download an app to do it in if they like. making tea's and setting up I'm sure they could also manage some part of. I certainly never escaped sightscreen, covers, boundary rope or pavilion shutters duty when I was a kid.
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