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Why do you add a 'counterbalance' to your bats?

To add weight and blance the bat/pickup
For comfort/grip location
Both of the above
I don't add one, they are only for wierdos!
I have no idea what you're talking about
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sarg

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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 12:56:07 PM »

Great topic. Keep it going.

I have tried it and it really only is helpful with light bats where it seems to balance the pickup feel slightly. i do cock the wrists on pickup, . I only do it now to get my bats to the my personal goldilocks dead weight for me is (which is 2.8 3/4). It is all in the head for me but I just like bats 2.8-2.9. Too much weight and I lose my shape as i get tired, which incidentally is about the 3rd over these days.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 12:59:32 PM »

I put a couple of strips of cut grip on the top of the handle as i like to rest my top hand against it. If the top of the handle is too thin I feel like its going to fly out of my hand
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 01:00:20 PM »

Always thought if you had old fashioned balance  kitchen scales with weights and increased the number of  weights on one side it tips the balance point  used to think the same with cricket bats
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 01:02:55 PM »

Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Next question, have you come up with a way to measure the difference between scale weight and pick up, I'm sick of reading for sale posts where a 3lbs 15oz bat picks up like 2'7.

Yes ;-)
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 01:05:49 PM »

I put a couple of strips of cut grip on the top of the handle as i like to rest my top hand against it. If the top of the handle is too thin I feel like its going to fly out of my hand

Maybe this is part of it, I like the bottom hand to be normal sized and a bit oval, but I like the top hand to be mega skinny.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 01:29:06 PM »

Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Next question, have you come up with a way to measure the difference between scale weight and pick up, I'm sick of reading for sale posts where a 3lbs 15oz bat picks up like 2'7.

This isn't witch craft or wizardry, simple MOI as The Doc said in his first post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixe8yY_RHks
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 01:39:47 PM »

Dan, fine, but the pivot point isn't your top hand. When you pick the bat up you push it back effectively from your shoulders. It isn't until you cock yours wrists that the pivot point moves.

Prior to that it is off the end of the handle.


This is getting away from a property of the bat and more on to technique and an inverse dynamics question.

This may be interesting, notice also where they place the pivot at around 1:46 in the MOI pendulum test
https://youtu.be/h687xw3EQac?t=1m5s

... and it doesn't really matter what pivot point you choose if talking about comparing the pickup of 2 bats by MOI so long as you choose the same pivot position on both. Another good explanation here

http://www.acs.psu.edu/drussell/bats/bat-moi.html
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 01:47:57 PM »

just seen these guys on Instagram , no idea if it works but looks a great invention for counterbalance
https://www.instagram.com/probalancecricket/
any used this in NZ ?
tempted to order a few

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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 02:13:09 PM »

I have one bat my Newbery Pro that was made by TK for a county pro and it has a large counter balance and picks up very well does feel a few oz lighter than dead weight but I can't say that it's any better than my other bats that don't have a counter balance so would say it's a mental thing personally
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 02:42:40 PM »

1. I like my bat length to be a size-6 bat (which I hold from the top of the handle). A rolled-up second grip, marks the spot where the SH bat length is size-6.
2. For my top hand, left, I like the handle to be thicker than the bottom. A rolled-up second grip for the top half of the handle achieve that for me. For my bottom hand (near the neck of the bat), right, I just pinch the handle so I prefer it to be thinner than the top part.
3. This setup, adds bat speed for bats that are bottom heavy and have a mid-low sweet spot. Any bat, like Amplus, which has a high sweet, this setup affects my timing. So, I don't use the rolled-up second grip for my high middle bats.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 02:54:55 PM »

Overall I think we need a new name for just whacking a grip locator on your bat to avoid confusion.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 03:15:44 PM »

I place half a grip donut style at very top. Starting doing this as had a counterbalance style handle and got into habit of resting top hand on it. Previously when I held bat at bottom of handle I used to cut top of handle off as it bruised my arm.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 02:35:11 AM »

This conversation is based off of a faulty premise. A counter balance absolutely helps and I am a big fan of them since I started using the Merlin.  Have them on all my bats now. It definitely does NOT help the pick up. But have any of you measured your bat speeds with and without a counter balance.

Ive tried range hitting with one, and without one. The difference is night and day.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 03:19:16 AM »

This conversation is based off of a faulty premise. A counter balance absolutely helps and I am a big fan of them since I started using the Merlin.  Have them on all my bats now. It definitely does NOT help the pick up. But have any of you measured your bat speeds with and without a counter balance.

Ive tried range hitting with one, and without one. The difference is night and day.

I have had the same experience but with only certain types of bats - mid-low/duck bill shaped bats. With high middle bats, XP80 or Amplus, it messes up my timing completely. I suspect, the high-middle bats are moving too fast since the added weight moves the balance-point of a bat further up (towards the handle).
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 07:58:35 AM »

This conversation is based off of a faulty premise. A counter balance absolutely helps and I am a big fan of them since I started using the Merlin.  Have them on all my bats now. It definitely does NOT help the pick up. But have any of you measured your bat speeds with and without a counter balance.

Ive tried range hitting with one, and without one. The difference is night and day.

And the explanation for this is?
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