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Why do you add a 'counterbalance' to your bats?

To add weight and blance the bat/pickup
For comfort/grip location
Both of the above
I don't add one, they are only for wierdos!
I have no idea what you're talking about
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DorsetDan

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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2018, 08:42:48 AM »

Pickup and bat speed are the same thing. Call it pickup, swing weight, whatever you like. The MOI means if it picks up easy it comes through easy. Shocking eh? :) though the counterbalance/ weight on top effect is more in the mind as the doc has already said
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2018, 09:31:53 AM »

This conversation is based off of a faulty premise. A counter balance absolutely helps and I am a big fan of them since I started using the Merlin.  Have them on all my bats now. It definitely does NOT help the pick up. But have any of you measured your bat speeds with and without a counter balance.

Ive tried range hitting with one, and without one. The difference is night and day.

If the counter balance doesn't assist the pickup what are you saying  it helps  with ?
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2018, 11:07:32 AM »

I have had the same experience but with only certain types of bats - mid-low/duck bill shaped bats. With high middle bats, XP80 or Amplus, it messes up my timing completely. I suspect, the high-middle bats are moving too fast since the added weight moves the balance-point of a bat further up (towards the handle).

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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2018, 12:20:36 PM »

Sorry, but to me, its not in the mind. Ive tried hundreds of shots on the ground with and without a counter balance. I get considerably more distance with a counterbalance, on the same bat. My guess is that the downswing is significantly larger on drives and full blown hoicks than it is in a stationary pick up situation i.e. the effects generated accumulate over a longer downswing.

Anyway, we seem to be basing this entire question on hypotheticals - my question is simple, has anyone actually measured thier bat speed with one. Itd be a very easy way of proving the theory.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2018, 12:25:06 PM »

@Silver Bullet if what you say is true, why dont golf clubs have an equivalent to a counter balance. And why don't baseball bats?
Both those sports have significantly more computer based testing than cricket and dont use them...

(Sorry if this is aggressive, it isn't meant to be :) )
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2018, 01:08:30 PM »

has anyone actually measured thier bat speed with one. Itd be a very easy way of proving the theory.

Too many variables to be able to draw a meaningful conclusion, given the need for a human to swing the bat.

There is honestly no scientific reason why adding a counterbalance would increase bat speed, it just doesn't make sense. It might be able to make it pickup lighter (if you believe that school of thought), but to make a meaningful difference to the distance a ball travels? I really can't see it myself.

But hey, whatever works for you, works for you. There needn't be any logic behind it if it makes you feel as though you hit the ball further, cricket is 100% played in the mind.
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2018, 06:22:50 PM »

The wonders of the Placebo effect!

That is just cynicism!
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2018, 06:26:38 PM »

Sorry, but to me, its not in the mind. Ive tried hundreds of shots on the ground with and without a counter balance. I get considerably more distance with a counterbalance, on the same bat. My guess is that the downswing is significantly larger on drives and full blown hoicks than it is in a stationary pick up situation i.e. the effects generated accumulate over a longer downswing.

Anyway, we seem to be basing this entire question on hypotheticals - my question is simple, has anyone actually measured thier bat speed with one. Itd be a very easy way of proving the theory.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of conjecture in the cricket world wrt to bats and equipment. User experience is pooh pooh'ed and non-conventional views/thinking is discouraged. I don't think we are likely to see any real research or study done to measure bat speed. Mob/crowd is just not interested. "Feel". "Grains". "Fish scale grips". That's all they want to see. Cricket users are not technology crazy. They want bats stinking with linseed oil smell, pads made from steel bars, and gloves they could use for boxing and self-protecting!

Give it time, somebody will write about hitting huge sixes with W. G. Grace's toothpick bat. :D
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Re: Counterbalances
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2018, 07:19:17 PM »

Adding more weight to your bat = quite unlikely to make it easier to swing fast.
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