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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #555 on: July 19, 2018, 10:18:40 AM »

Out of interest what are people setting in the T20 leagues at the moment? We seem to have started the season winning games with 120 and now 180 is a good game.

I did our team stats a few weeks ago. Over the past 5 years we played just over 100 games, and our average score batting first is 140 and we defend this 67% of the time, our opposition's average score when we field first is 135 and we chase this 53% of the time.

I think the scores are slightly lower than you might expect because we play retire at 25, so normally 9/10 batsmen get to bat in most games - obviously you can lose a bit of momentum when your tail enders are in. Its the same for both sides though.

Its also harder to chase in recreational cricket normally because the light is starting to fade towards the end of the innings. There's an unspoken rule that if the defending team has any quick bowlers, they bowl in the first ten and not at the death (otherwise it becomes dangerous). Hence the reason that I am a spinner who specialises in bowling the death overs, lol.

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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #556 on: July 19, 2018, 10:21:31 AM »

@SLA what tactics do you go for bowling spin at the death mate?

I always used to think full and flat was the way to go towards the end of the innings, but I've actually found recently that moon balls seem to bamboozle batsmen trying to hit everything out of the park
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #557 on: July 19, 2018, 10:33:35 AM »

@SLA what tactics do you go for bowling spin at the death mate?

I always used to think full and flat was the way to go towards the end of the innings, but I've actually found recently that moon balls seem to bamboozle batsmen trying to hit everything out of the park

Well I normally start with a set sequence of 4 balls that I practice: stock ball with topspin, skiddy quicker ball at the pads from wide on the crease, wide ball outside off and turning away from close to the stumps, wrong'un spinning back, and then see where we are. Basically I try and guess what the batsman is thinking and then try desperately to scupper his plan. It also depends on the length of the boundaries. If I have a short legside boundaries I'll try to keep my line outside off, If I have a short straight boundary or short offside boundary I'll bowl at the pads.



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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #558 on: July 19, 2018, 12:06:35 PM »

Scorecard from Ansty 2s Saturday was interesting...

http://anstycc.play-cricket.com/website/results/3313229


Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #559 on: July 19, 2018, 01:12:31 PM »

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

Given that they were (presumably) never going to chase 300, then the game was over as a contest at tea. What do you think would have happened in a win/win game that would have been so much more enjoyable for either side?
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #560 on: July 19, 2018, 01:14:10 PM »

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

 :D Absolutely. In fact my highest score was accomplished doing just that. We were against a really strong batting side (who had scored just over 300) so opened the batting alongside a junior and we put on 108 for the first wicket.  We got ourselves a draw and the junior was absolutely buzzing with his 35 runs as was his Dad who had come along to watch after tea. All the other juniors in the team gave the young lad a standing ovation when he was out with just a few overs to go. Cricket is not all about winning, it's about taking as many positives out of a game as possible.
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #561 on: July 19, 2018, 01:38:56 PM »

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #562 on: July 19, 2018, 01:44:41 PM »

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!

Yeah but sometimes you just get games where you get pumped so hard that the chances of winning quickly become zero, so rather than just giving up entirely, kicking over your stumps and going to the pub, you have to pick some other target to try and achieve. Have you never experienced this?

When you're 50-5 off 20 overs chasing 370, and you need over 10 an over with an old bloke who can neither run nor hit the ball off the square at the other end and every opposition fielder on the boundary, at some point you have to admit to yourself that you're not going to win the game.

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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #563 on: July 19, 2018, 02:01:12 PM »

Yeah but sometimes you just get games where you get pumped so hard that the chances of winning quickly become zero, so rather than just giving up entirely, kicking over your stumps and going to the pub, you have to pick some other target to try and achieve. Have you never experienced this?

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #564 on: July 19, 2018, 02:09:16 PM »

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.

A good bonus point system is crucial in these situations. One that rewards the batting team for scoring as many runs as possible, and the bowling team for taking wickets, at least incentivises positive cricket from both sides for the remainder of the game.

Same applies when a chasing team is easily going to breeze to a low total.
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #565 on: July 19, 2018, 02:28:59 PM »

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!
Yes done it often if you can't win don't lose.
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #566 on: July 19, 2018, 08:30:58 PM »

Literally everything that is wrong with win/draw cricket in one scorecard, can anyone honestly say they enjoy blocking out for 160 chasing over 300?!

Ok, so what should they do ?? If they at some point dont think they can score 300?. Have some fun, hit out.. get out .. get in the bar ?? Why, just so the winning side feel good ?

I mean sure, it looks bad but maybe the team batting first needs to use its brain and not score as many, declare earlier.. entice the chase.. etc etc

The beauty of draw Cricket is its way more tactical than bash runs then defend and just wait for bats to get out
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #567 on: July 19, 2018, 08:33:29 PM »

Guess it comes down to the level of standard being played. I'd personally have no interest in playing in a side where the intention isn't to go out and win (or at least try) but each to their own - we all play for different reasons after all!

But why is getting wacked for 300 (sometimes someone comes off so its not always the better side ) then getting skittled for 210ao more fun?

Its more fun for the winning team I suppose but for the others... bugger all to play for If you dont think you can chase it..

Isnt that the point of Cricket ? To win you have to score runs and TAKE wickets
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #568 on: July 19, 2018, 08:36:25 PM »

I've been on the wrong side of these games a few times, it's not the most enjoyable situation but you almost have to make your own game within the game when it does happen.

In these situations my team will go for 2 things.
1 - Full batting points (or as close to as possible). If you're going to lose you may as well pick up some bonus points.
2 - Keep the opposition out in the field for the whole innings. Even if you can't bat out your overs make them work for their bowling points! If you prevent them from claiming a full haul of bowling points then it's a minor victory in itself.

As soon as a team realises a side is batting like this for th draw, its down to them to tempt them into shots.. attacking fields.. catchers.. part time bowlers Etc.. no point bowling tight and accurate ball after ball.. got to use a bit of skill, tactics and imagination .. thats the fun bit.. weeding out that batter fighting for his life .. not much fun when you know its just a matter of time cause hes teeing off.. Just luck if he comes off or not most of the time
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Re: Your 2018 Season
« Reply #569 on: July 20, 2018, 06:45:17 AM »

A few weeks ago played away with just 8 players inc 2 12 year olds the opposition won the toss and decided to bat they scored 260 off the first 37 overs could have declared and could have  used the balance of there 45 overs ( 8 ) plus  there allotted 45 to try and bowl us out but they decided it would be more  fun to bat there 45 and score 332 blasting 12 year olds around the park in a win draw lose game.
Batting second We kept   them in the field for 45 overs to get a draw and they got what they deserved.
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