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Moeen Ali...what next.
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:33:17 PM »

How refreshing to read an honest assessment of the last few months from the man himself in the press over the last couple of days.

None of the normal BS associated with current England players:

He said it was a relief to be dropped
He said he has not played well enough to warrant a place for a while
He said being up and down the order unsettled him and he does not feel at home in the team.
He appears to have no ego, no inflated opinion of himself

And he says he will have to get back into the team as a batsman, as he has always said he is a batsman who bowls.

I really really like Mo Ali, he has played some great knocks for us to dig us out of trouble many times, but if he is going to get back into the team as a batter it might be a tough ask

What do you think? And also......relating it to us clubbies

Does it matter if you do not have a settled number to bat in your team? If the skipper says 'pad up, you might be in next or you might be 6, it depends' - does that knacker your game completely.

I have to say, personally having opened for donkeys years I like to know where I'm batting. Now I'm down the order and younger guys moved up, I much prefer to know I'm batting 5 or 6...  I can't be doing with this 'anywhere' business

Am I am bit precious or are there others on the forum who get messed about? It's a team game, maybe we should just get on with it..... :)
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2018, 07:41:34 PM »

We need more people like Moeen in the world.

As for batting position, I think different people need different security. I like to know where I am batting, although am less bothered now than in the past.
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2018, 07:49:14 PM »

It is a horrible feeling look in from the outside in any team and I think the culture is very wrong. Of course there has to be flexibility but not knowing and although he has not directly said it feeling on the outside can lead to isolation.

I feel it part of a captain role in club cricket to make sure nobody turning up not expecting to bat at 3 ends up at 10 without explanation
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 07:53:44 PM »

Personally hope he does get back in the England side once he finds form again, proven international quality bat but has found himself bang out of nick and its lasted a while maybe thats to do with the pressure of being publicly named as Englands No1 spin bowler which he clearly isnt good enough to be underpinned by him knowing he isnt at that level. An inform Ali would walk into most Test sides at No7 and thats where he should bat
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 08:16:18 PM »

I think my clubs batting unit suffered lasts year from a lack of roles. Other than mysef as an opener the other 10 players all batted in different positions throughout the season and this led to some confused thinking at the crease.

As for Moeen, the first step on the road to recovery is admitting theres a problem!
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 08:18:09 PM »

If I am moved around the batting order it has a mental affect when it's my turn to bat put simply can't adapt to bat anywhere except 1 or 7
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 08:30:15 PM »

 
...proven international quality bat...Ali would walk into most Test sides at No7 and thats where he should bat

Is he really a proven international quality bat?  I'd have said he is a proven international luxury player, except perhaps in sub continental conditions, where his wristy game is more suited and he is less likely to be exposed by the bully boy stuff. 

Thats not to say I don't want to see him come good - he's a whole hearted cricketer and a great role model.  But lets not kid ourselves that he could be the solution at three.  In reality, he either gets picked as the spinner in English conditions - I hope this is not the case - or he gets in the luxury slot that is created by having Stokes and YJB in the team.

Interesting debate though - which do people prefer:
Bairstow/Stokes/Foakes at 5, 6, 7
or
Stokes/Bairstow/Ali at 5, 6, 7?
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2018, 08:30:55 PM »

When he says he doesn't feel at home in the team I wonder if he's also refering to maybe not feeling like 'one of the boys'?

The 'lad' culture runs right through the set up, watch any of the player Instagram profiles and it's just constant banter and larkiing about, plus it must be hard when you're the only Muslim in the playing XI (apart from Adil when playing ODI).
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2018, 08:40:04 PM »

When he says he doesn't feel at home in the team I wonder if he's also refering to maybe not feeling like 'one of the boys'?

The 'lad' culture runs right through the set up, watch any of the player Instagram profiles and it's just constant banter and larkiing about, plus it must be hard when you're the only muslin in the playing XI (apart from Adil when playing ODI).

This is what I read from this article too, although it's not, and you probably wouldn't expect it to be, crystal clear.

As far as I have read....Mo has all the time, facilities he needs, to practice his faith. If you remember a couple of years back he was uncomfortable with the sponsor logo being an alcoholic drinks company- so he did not have to wear that shirt showing that sponsorship- if I remember correctly.

You would like to think there is mutual repect in the team, we don't know but you might think nights out would clash.

Would that make a difference to feeling part of the team? It might....
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2018, 09:01:24 PM »

Bottom line is that, based on the last 6 months, he is not in our top 7 batsmen, particularly as he doesnt fit into our top 3. He is also not an effective spinner any more.

I really want him to succeed, but he is simply not the best option anymore.

If everyone was playing to their best ability, this is the side I would love to pick:

Stoneman
Hameed
Cook
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Curran S
Leach
Gleeson
Anderson
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2018, 07:58:59 AM »

I like Mo . Good honest cricketer . If only the selectors had taken his self appraisals more seriously this could have been avoided .
I think Ali is a test level batting allrounder at 7 .
Personally,  i hate not knowing where im batting , always have ( plus the nerves of waiting to bat does my head in) , hence why i became an opener over 20yrs ago.
Last season i was injured and returned 2nd half of the season only as a spinner ( couldnt bat or run properly) and batted 11 . Every innings i would wonder how anyone could sit around waiting to bat . It's torture .
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2018, 08:43:06 AM »

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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2018, 09:58:01 AM »


Is he really a proven international quality bat?  I'd have said he is a proven international luxury player, except perhaps in sub continental conditions, where his wristy game is more suited and he is less likely to be exposed by the bully boy stuff. 

Thats not to say I don't want to see him come good - he's a whole hearted cricketer and a great role model.  But lets not kid ourselves that he could be the solution at three.  In reality, he either gets picked as the spinner in English conditions - I hope this is not the case - or he gets in the luxury slot that is created by having Stokes and YJB in the team.

Interesting debate though - which do people prefer:
Bairstow/Stokes/Foakes at 5, 6, 7
or
Stokes/Bairstow/Ali at 5, 6, 7?
 

5 Test hundreds low down the order I would say he is proven international level and No7 not at the No3 slot.

Stokes, Bairstow, Ali would be my preferred set up
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2018, 01:53:41 PM »

Bottom line is that, based on the last 6 months, he is not in our top 7 batsmen, particularly as he doesnt fit into our top 3. He is also not an effective spinner any more.

I really want him to succeed, but he is simply not the best option anymore.

If everyone was playing to their best ability, this is the side I would love to pick:

Stoneman
Hameed
Cook
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Curran S
Leach
Gleeson
Anderson

Can't wait for Sam Curran or any sort of variation to make the side. Although leach? Gleeson? Stoneman also isnt long for the side if they can get Hameed in some form.
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Re: Moeen Ali...what next.
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2018, 01:54:56 PM »

Would be great to have a leggie come through the ranks in the next few years.
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