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mattbatt

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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2018, 10:28:17 AM »

I call b.s on al jazeera !

Why? Not likely to be any more or less accurate than most other media outlets.

I watched the documentary this morning and the evidence is compelling and includes first hand evidence of recent first class and international players discussing fixing matches openly on camera.

The predictions of runs scored (below a certain score) in a 10-over session as well as the number of runs off the final over of that 10 over session (India v England - Chennai) with England batting came true.

Certain England players who were playing in that test have had fairly strange ends to their test & first class careers and some very close links to the IPL match-fixing circus.

To clarify, I have no idea whether it is or isn't true but certainly cannot be dismissed simply because it's an Al Jazeera documentary.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2018, 11:24:52 AM »

Why? Not likely to be any more or less accurate than most other media outlets.

I watched the documentary this morning and the evidence is compelling and includes first hand evidence of recent first class and international players discussing fixing matches openly on camera.

The predictions of runs scored (below a certain score) in a 10-over session as well as the number of runs off the final over of that 10 over session (India v England - Chennai) with England batting came true.

Certain England players who were playing in that test have had fairly strange ends to their test & first class careers and some very close links to the IPL match-fixing circus.

To clarify, I have no idea whether it is or isn't true but certainly cannot be dismissed simply because it's an Al Jazeera documentary.

As I said in a previous post if you think about the actual allegations they make in the documentary ... the fix happened on day 1 of the test and was a session bet etc...

So then look at the actual facts from the match... only Cook, Jennings, Root, Mo, Bairstow and Stokes batted on Day 1.

Stokes only came in in over 82 so impossible to complete a 10 over session bet. Jennings only lasted 5 overs so again impossible to complete a fix. Consider Mo's religious beliefs and I think you can rule him out.

So that leaves the other 3 and that is one hell of an accusation... including the England captain at the time, the curremt England captain.

I really can't believe any of it.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2018, 11:25:06 AM »

Why? Not likely to be any more or less accurate than most other media outlets.

I watched the documentary this morning and the evidence is compelling and includes first hand evidence of recent first class and international players discussing fixing matches openly on camera.

The predictions of runs scored (below a certain score) in a 10-over session as well as the number of runs off the final over of that 10 over session (India v England - Chennai) with England batting came true.

Certain England players who were playing in that test have had fairly strange ends to their test & first class careers and some very close links to the IPL match-fixing circus.

To clarify, I have no idea whether it is or isn't true but certainly cannot be dismissed simply because it's an Al Jazeera documentary.




Im not dismissing it due to which media organisation made the allegations/documentary. ......im dismissing it due to absolute lack of evidence , unwillingness to provide c.a or e.c.b with any evidence , and because I know a rat (b.s story) when I smell one .
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2018, 11:57:29 AM »

As I said in a previous post if you think about the actual allegations they make in the documentary ... the fix happened on day 1 of the test and was a session bet etc...

So then look at the actual facts from the match... only Cook, Jennings, Root, Mo, Bairstow and Stokes batted on Day 1.

Stokes only came in in over 82 so impossible to complete a 10 over session bet. Jennings only lasted 5 overs so again impossible to complete a fix. Consider Mo's religious beliefs and I think you can rule him out.

So that leaves the other 3 and that is one hell of an accusation... including the England captain at the time, the curremt England captain.

I really can't believe any of it.

You cant write someone off due to their religion.. its not like people of similar faith havent spot fixed.. oh wait ... money is money and money talks. Still, every allegation should be investigated properly and anyone found in any way wrong, dealt with severely.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 12:56:08 PM »

You cant write someone off due to their religion.. its not like people of similar faith havent spot fixed.. oh wait ... money is money and money talks. Still, every allegation should be investigated properly and anyone found in any way wrong, dealt with severely.

Not saying it shouldn't be investigated and I am sure the ICC will do everything they can do. But when you hear that Al Jazeera won't hand over the unedited version for evidence to the ICC you have to wonder what's going on.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2018, 01:02:47 PM »

Not saying it shouldn't be investigated and I am sure the ICC will do everything they can do. But when you hear that Al Jazeera won't hand over the unedited version for evidence to the ICC you have to wonder what's going on.


Al Jazeera say in the doco they will hand over all evidence /unedited version . C.a and e.c.b say al jazeera have not complied with numerous requests for said evidence . Either one entity is wrong and/or lying , or two entities are wrong and/or lying. Either way , something is wrong .
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2018, 01:12:07 PM »

The documentary showed blurred out footage that the experts appeared to be viewing. Do we think that that was the actual footage of the period of play Al Jazeera are alleging is fixed and of the players they are implying were involved? If so its very easy to work out 2 of of English players and 1 of the Aussies based on kit.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2018, 01:19:17 PM »

The documentary showed blurred out footage that the experts appeared to be viewing. Do we think that that was the actual footage of the period of play Al Jazeera are alleging is fixed and of the players they are implying were involved? If so its very easy to work out 2 of of English players and 1 of the Aussies based on kit.


Funny you mention that as I'm just playing back from 44.00 -44.45 of the doco as i read this . Yes , i think it was blurred footage of the actual period of play . And yes , i could work out players based on the kit , and handedness . Hmmmm.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2018, 01:34:45 PM »

The documentary showed blurred out footage that the experts appeared to be viewing. Do we think that that was the actual footage of the period of play Al Jazeera are alleging is fixed and of the players they are implying were involved? If so its very easy to work out 2 of of English players and 1 of the Aussies based on kit.

I did think this as well but then came to the conclusion that surely they wouldn't be that foolish because it is very easy for any cricket enthusiast to work out who it is.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2018, 01:38:17 PM »

I did think this as well but then came to the conclusion that surely they wouldn't be that foolish because it is very easy for any cricket enthusiast to work out who it is.

Surely it works in their favour for the players to be worked out whilst they appear to have done the diligent thing and not revealed it. It also demonstrates within the documentary that they do have "evidence" to back these claims up.
Having looked at the scorecard the Aussie one matches exactly the period of play they were talking about.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2018, 01:43:46 PM »

Surely it works in their favour for the players to be worked out whilst they appear to have done the diligent thing and not revealed it. It also demonstrates within the documentary that they do have "evidence" to back these claims up.
Having looked at the scorecard the Aussie one matches exactly the period of play they were talking about.

If the players are innocent and their identities are worked out via that blurry footage then it potentially opens up Al Jazeera for legal action.

I don't believe Al Jazeera are stupid, so that means that either they used any old footage and blurred it out or they are absolutely, 100% certain of the players guilt and they have the evidence to back it up.

I would lean towards the former scenario myself.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2018, 02:30:28 PM »

As I said in a previous post if you think about the actual allegations they make in the documentary ... the fix happened on day 1 of the test and was a session bet etc...

So then look at the actual facts from the match... only Cook, Jennings, Root, Mo, Bairstow and Stokes batted on Day 1.

Stokes only came in in over 82 so impossible to complete a 10 over session bet. Jennings only lasted 5 overs so again impossible to complete a fix. Consider Mo's religious beliefs and I think you can rule him out.

So that leaves the other 3 and that is one hell of an accusation... including the England captain at the time, the curremt England captain.

I really can't believe any of it.

You're ruling out Mo because of his religion...? Not sure that religion has anything to do with match fixing, I reckon Cronje would have considered himself christian and I'm pretty sure Mohammed Amir is a muslim...

From the little I know of Mo I would be surprised also but because he seems like a thoroughly decent chap and not what big book he prefers.

That said, cronje was a bit of a shock also...


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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 02:34:44 PM »

The problem is for the 3 England players and 2 Aussies there will now be a clamour to find out there identity which is hugely unfair as there is no evidence.

I don't believe myself any of these players are involved in fixing so the claims are far fetched and just named as a boast during negotiations with journalist.

I'm less sure about the pitch in Galle being doctored, there could be something in that, but again a lot of claims about what they could and couldn't do to the pitch....

Have you watched it? They are talking on hidden camera with the head groundsman at galle who is clearly willing to doctor pitches and explains how. The test they were talking about (agains australia if I remember correctly) lasted 2.5 days and questions were asked at the time in western press about whether the pitch was doctored.

https://www.wisden.com/stories/archive/news/documentary-implicates-sri-lanka-curator-fixing-scandal
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2018, 02:40:31 PM »

The video seems to implicate Moeen and Cook or Bairstow? From the videos. But they could just be random inserts of the team.
Moeen is the obvious one- I think the footage of Cook/Bairstow has to be flipped, because Bairstow didn't use that bat in the series. So it looks like Cook?
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2018, 04:00:54 PM »

You are correct Matt, religion has nothing to do with it
Cronjie was a deeply religious man.

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