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Biggie Smalls

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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2018, 06:50:08 PM »

It would be shocking whoever was revealed but cant see Cook being into anything even remotely shady he's the Ned Flanders of cricket :)


Darn diddly diddly darn diddly darn darn diddly biddly darn diddly darn darn biddly iddly diddly darn right he is !  :D
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2018, 07:09:30 PM »


Darn diddly diddly darn diddly darn darn diddly biddly darn diddly darn darn biddly iddly diddly darn right he is !  :D
Hahaha theres no possible way of reading that without hearing the voice of ned aswell!!
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2018, 07:46:30 PM »

Yes, it's totally inconceivable that the Australian test team could be involved in a clandestine organised cheating operation.....
Ball tampering (which pretty much every international cricket side does to some degree) is not the same as taking money from bookies to underperform, is it now.
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Re: Pitch fixing
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2018, 08:25:36 PM »

Ball tampering (which pretty much every international cricket side does to some degree) is not the same as taking money from bookies to underperform, is it now.

Obviously not the same but spot fixers would argue that influencing a 10-over session (presumably only to score 15-10 runs under par in that period only) in a match that should last 5 days makes very little difference to the outcome of a match, whereas ball doctoring resulting in taking a cluster of quick wickets could determine a match outcome.

Which is morally worse - fleecing a few bookies and having very little impact on match outcome or blatantly cheating to gain an unfair match advantage.

That wasn't really my point though, rather highlighting that a few months ago the idea that Warner would have a pre-planned and clandestine meeting with a junior player where he would demonstrate how to, and then convince him to take sandpaper onto the field to doctor the ball would have seemed laughable.

Th situation with a rogue senior player (Warner) using a naive and inexperienced player to cheat is a similar modus operandi to many of the match fixing scandals - Cronje, Cairns (allegedly), Butt etc all similar.

I'm not suggesting for a second that Warner has ever been involved in spot fixing but as an example I'd suggest that if he felt inclined that he would have enough influence over an idiot like Bancroft to convince him to bat slowly for 30 minutes.

I really don't think it's beyond any realm of possibility that there is an element of truth in it. There might not be and I hope there isn't, but stranger things have happened.
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Re: Pitch fixing / spot fixing
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2018, 08:46:38 AM »

https://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw

Interesting watch this - of course could be BS but the evidence is rather damning if true.
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Re: Pitch fixing / spot fixing
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM »

@mattbatt ask Brett Lee and the 05 Aussie team if 15-10 runs makes very little difference. Of course it does, the whole point of cricket is the team with more runs wins!

As for it seeming laughable that the Aussies would organise ball tampering, really? The England team thought they were doing it, SA thought they were doing it, the TV commentators and cameramen thought they were doing it... noone was surprised, only at how stupidly obvious they got when desperate. Mainly because everyone does it to some degree, England have been very good at it the past few years. Which is worse? Take a look at the punishments - 5 runs for ball tampering, 5+ years for spot fixing.
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Re: Pitch fixing / spot fixing
« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2018, 12:31:04 PM »

The fact that you go back to 2005 for that shows how rarely  that 15 runs makes a difference in test cricket.

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Re: Pitch fixing / spot fixing
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2018, 03:15:53 PM »

https://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw

Interesting watch this - of course could be BS but the evidence is rather damning if true.




.......page 1 of this thread onwards has basically been about this . :D
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