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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2018, 07:12:38 AM »

I never had a trigger as such , just a squat into ready position. Ive always been a front foot player and this seemed to work fine.
Last 5mths ive just returned from major knee injury and was forced to change myself into a back foot player as I'll never be able to get properly forward (squat or lunge movements are a real challenge) ever again.
I watched a lot of back foot players and adopted what works for me. A.t.m i have a massive back and across movement into a ready position ( back foot goes from an inch outside leg to an inch outside off , and my back foot is a bit less than a bat length from the stumps  ). This feels an ugly technique and initially messed with my head .Sure , im basically imitating s.smith (poors mans version of course). My head is level and my body still at release point so I'm ok with my ugly massive trigger. Actually , im really enjoying batting this way . I have new challenges now ......still working on getting my offside scoring up to something resembling what it used to be....but I'm loving how my legside play has improved massively - balls on the pads now feel like money for old rope.....thats new for me and i like it.

This is exactly it though mate. Everyone's trigger or not should be based on what is best/needed for their own game. Keep the general principles of technique in mind e.g.. head still at point of delivery etc... after that do what suits you best and consider what pitches you are playing on and what opposition you are facing.

It is what makes our beloved game so amazing, that 11 guys/girls will walk out to bat and not 1 of them will do it the same way!
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2018, 07:14:55 AM »

Need a trigger for your trigger.

Need to finish my net before he turns up I reckon.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2018, 09:08:28 AM »

This is exactly it though mate. Everyone's trigger or not should be based on what is best/needed for their own game. Keep the general principles of technique in mind e.g.. head still at point of delivery etc... after that do what suits you best and consider what pitches you are playing on and what opposition you are facing.

It is what makes our beloved game so amazing, that 11 guys/girls will walk out to bat and not 1 of them will do it the same way!


Yep , i agree - a million and one ways to skin a cat .
And , yeah , like you say , i needed to factor in my circumstances when trying to find my new technique.  I had to find a way to take stress/pain out of my knees while keeping balance and enough range of shots . Also , i had to factor in that i play a high standard/against high pace , am an opening bat , play on a lot of bouncy decks etc . I then looked at my best asset as a batsman - hand speed . I think ive found my solution to my unique set of circumstances . I wouldn't necessarily recommend that others adopt the technique I'm now using.....in fact , 5 months ago i doubted id ever be able to adjust to it . But , it was either try it or basically give up on my batting . I'm glad i opted for the former.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2018, 01:20:42 PM »

Staying still didnt work today. Bowled second ball. Back to nets then.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2018, 11:51:41 PM »

Staying still didnt work today. Bowled second ball. Back to nets then.

Different triggers for different bowling.

Fast and swinging - trigger before release and still at the release point. I line up to the release line as suggested by A B Devilliers in his Cricket Yard video.
Medium/Slow and slow - smaller trigger before release, side-on and head forward at the point of release. No trigger if bowler doesn't have swing or turn.
Spin - no trigger or forward press when want to score aggressively.

I see batsmen in my team scoring freely against spinners and medium-pacers but edging/bowled against quicks because they don't trigger and get in line to them. As a clubbie, trigger works for me against quicks.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2018, 08:17:43 PM »

Also changed from watching the ball through the run-up to a similar method after reading that article, definite improvement for me!

Going to give this a go struggling a bit at the min average is at less than 10 :(
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2018, 11:08:24 AM »

As a former wicket keeper I always looked at the ball in the bowlers hand to see his grip and shiny side. When batting i do the same. I try to see if i can see the grip.

Also ........ when on the none strikers end do the same and try to see if you can see any changes in action or grip.

A short ball will be released later than a pitched up one. It will appear flatter right out of the bowlers hand.

Ask yourself these questions with regards to a trigger ....

when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?



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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2018, 12:46:53 PM »

As a former wicket keeper I always looked at the ball in the bowlers hand to see his grip and shiny side. When batting i do the same. I try to see if i can see the grip.

Also ........ when on the none strikers end do the same and try to see if you can see any changes in action or grip.

A short ball will be released later than a pitched up one. It will appear flatter right out of the bowlers hand.

Ask yourself these questions with regards to a trigger ....

when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?


help me understand my own answer to this question. if I'm playing a front foot shot I'm actually moving my back foot first (across the crease) to get into line, before moving my front foot into the line of the ball.

I've recently tried out changing from a back foot trigger to a front foot trigger. I've only batted with it once but it felt better. I'd rather be later going back to a shorter ball than too late getting forward to a full ball.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2018, 12:55:07 PM »

to go forward you press off your backfoot ........... so why not have your weight on the ball of the back foot once you have gone back and across?

If its short you are already back and you simply step your front foot behind the ball to defend or bring your front foot back in the air and hammer it.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2018, 12:56:09 PM »

help me understand my own answer to this question. if I'm playing a front foot shot I'm actually moving my back foot first (across the crease) to get into line, before moving my front foot into the line of the ball.

I've recently tried out changing from a back foot trigger to a front foot trigger. I've only batted with it once but it felt better. I'd rather be later going back to a shorter ball than too late getting forward to a full ball.

Late to a short one will have you spooning it up in the air.


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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2018, 12:56:53 PM »

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when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?

Urm, I use my head to lean to the ball, the weight transfer that causes moves my foot naturally into position.
So neither foot...
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2018, 12:59:44 PM »

Urm, I use my head to lean to the ball, the weight transfer that causes moves my foot naturally into position.
So neither foot...

Excellent answer ... technically you should put your head to the pitch not your foot. That results in kids simply sitting back in their stance with their foot to the pitch thinking they are doing great. Realistically there is a transfer of weight from back to front foot.

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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2018, 01:08:15 PM »

I would say it is more weight transferring from evenly spread to over your front foot, but as you said above some people adopt a deweighting approach (Cook and Root are great examples of this.)

Not sure about the impact on kids, at the moment I coach (occasionally) a bunch of 8 year olds and they use bouncy incridie balls so they tend to sit on the back foot and swing across the line. Most are at the in between stage of learning their technique so aren't really caressing cover drives! Plus the bowling is a little mixed!
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2018, 01:17:07 PM »

With the kids i meant simply telling them to put their foot to the pitch often means they do that without moving their head as well.
As they put their foot to the pitch they think everything is ok.
I think its best to tell them to put their head and foot towards the pitch like you advised.
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Re: Trigger vs Staying Still
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2018, 01:19:10 PM »

trigger movements is an odd subject as trigger movements result in a batsman being perfectly still at the point of release .. a lot misunderstand this. I believe its simply a way to unweight the body/feet so not to feel like you are stuck in treacle from standing in your stance during the run up.
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