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Biggie Smalls

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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2018, 04:49:23 AM »

Who was better, Goya or Velazquez? Mozart or Beethoven?
Freddie Mercury or Michael Jackson? Ronaldo or Messi? Pele or Maradona?

These are the questions that only fools try to answer. Just appreciate two craftsmen at the very pinnacle of their art.



Maybe trying to answer such questions objectively is difficult  (arguably foolish) due to the quality of the comparisons ( because , yes, they are all excellent ). ....and the subjective nature required for judging their qualities.
But . We can certainly assert our personal preferences as they can be purely subjective . And. These personal preferences amount to who is 'better' in the subjective view of the individual.
Hence i have no problem with this thread , or the o.p . Maybe such threads have been done before and might feel repetitive.  Maybe it feels like a futile exercise.  Ok , cool , whatevs , but for me , i won't get tired of hearing subjective personal opinions of which bats are 'better' , because not all bats are made equal . Handles differ , pressing differs, shapes differ , finishing differs , shaping methods differ , willow selections (and sometimes even the quality /source / grading ) differ, prices differ , etc etc .
Basically , I feel that if people aren't encouraged to give their opinions on what is better , then forums like these lose value .
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2018, 08:25:05 AM »

Recently tapped a GM Icon, it is a very nice product albeit CNC made. :)

You are aware that Tim Keeley uses a CNC machine aren't you?

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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2018, 08:42:17 AM »

Only differences ive ever noticed is that AJK seems to be a little bit more focused on durability than TK. They always seem to use denser wood and harder press as ive never seen any Salix with over 40mm edge and most seem to have a light concave whereas I've seen a lot of massive TK bats. Both are amazing bat makers and you really cant compare them.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 10:19:48 AM »

They both trained under John Newbery, so both learned from the best. It's like anything we buy, we all have a brand preference - in my experience, I felt I had a better experience and found Tim Keeley more welcoming the times I used to go see him when Newbery was still in Robertsbridge compared to the one time I went to Salix, whereby I felt I was an inconvenience being there. However I don't think it matters who has made it as long as 1) it pings and 2) pick up is good for you
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2018, 10:27:45 AM »

You are aware that Tim Keeley uses a CNC machine aren't you?

He'd probably struggle to supply 23 different brands if he didn't?
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2018, 12:01:17 PM »

He'd probably struggle to supply 23 different brands if he didn't?

Tried explaining this at my club as they were very confused how he did it.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2018, 01:20:56 PM »

But not as amazing as Gunn and Moore.  ;)

Just prefer using my GM's at the moment thanks pal, I may swap later in the year but when your in a purple patch dont change things
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2018, 01:45:14 PM »

Only differences ive ever noticed is that AJK seems to be a little bit more focused on durability than TK. They always seem to use denser wood and harder press as ive never seen any Salix with over 40mm edge and most seem to have a light concave whereas I've seen a lot of massive TK bats.

Good information!
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2018, 05:49:55 PM »

I had a Salix torque that had possibly the best middle of any bat Ive ever owned. I couldnt get on with the balance of it which rendered this middle absolutely useless to me!! Sold it and the new owner loved it, scored a ton first innings
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2018, 05:54:38 PM »

No.1 most important thing in choosing a bat should be how it feels in your hands.

And the no.1 determinant of how a bat performs is your own skill.

I wish I could stop coming on this forum.

My previous post more or less echoes this
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2018, 08:14:21 PM »

Just prefer using my GM's at the moment thanks pal, I may swap later in the year but when your in a purple patch dont change things

No worries, pal.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2018, 09:50:44 AM »

I find it surprising that with all the technology and analysis in the game, there hasn't been objective testing of the rebound in different bats.  Qualities like pick up and feel are subjective and will differ from person to person but the rebound energy produced by a bat should be capable of objective testing
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2018, 11:47:00 AM »

I find it surprising that with all the technology and analysis in the game, there hasn't been objective testing of the rebound in different bats.  Qualities like pick up and feel are subjective and will differ from person to person but the rebound energy produced by a bat should be capable of objective testing

Because we all know how reliable these tests can be... You just have to look at Volkswagens emissions tests to see how easily they can be doctored.

Also, doesnt take into account knocking in/oiling that would alter this result as well as batsmans style & shot selection...
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2018, 11:48:50 AM »

I find it surprising that with all the technology and analysis in the game, there hasn't been objective testing of the rebound in different bats.  Qualities like pick up and feel are subjective and will differ from person to person but the rebound energy produced by a bat should be capable of objective testing

There's a video on You Tube, featuring Brad Haddin, about a University doing research and trying to identify the exact characteristics of a very responsive willow.

I'll post the link later, if no-one manages to find it first.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2018, 03:07:29 PM »

Because we all know how reliable these tests can be... You just have to look at Volkswagens emissions tests to see how easily they can be doctored.

Also, doesnt take into account knocking in/oiling that would alter this result as well as batsmans style & shot selection...

These sorts of variables are exactly the sort of thing that could be tested in order to identify the best process for preparing a bat for use.

A sport like Forumla 1 where every component of a car is riguroisly tested for performance isn't a fair comparisons due to the money involved in motor racing but cycling is probably a better comparison to where cricket is
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