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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2018, 03:32:12 PM »

You underestimate how much effort goes into aero testing in cycling! @Calzebhoy VW found a way to cheat the test, there wasn't anything wrong with the results.

Testing bats for performance is pretty easy and has been quite widely done. Trouble is, it provides very little useful information to the customer, and in any case almost noone cares anyway!
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2018, 09:58:24 PM »

There's a video on You Tube, featuring Brad Haddin, about a University doing research and trying to identify the exact characteristics of a very responsive willow.

I'll post the link later, if no-one manages to find it first.

They didnt post any results. I wrote to the university and got no where. Just another bit of research that benefits no one.

Who makes the better bat.....hmmm

In terms of attention to detail, Salix workmanship seems peerless.

In terms of actually ending up in players hands, TK was all geared up for larger production.

Press of both seem similar.

Inspirations of both bat makers is totally different.

Im pretty certain TK has made for more international players and taken feedback and developed designs based on it. His shapes over the years have taken risks and introduced innovations and a few gimmicks. This is very much in the Newbery tradition.

AJK seems to Chase perfection and prides himself on the finish of the product. His inspirations are well set out on his website and I think he is less concerned with tweaking shapes and his bats balance and feel lovely in the hands.

I wont judge them as they are different in terms of approach and both have loyal customers. I cannot see a player will go wrong if either was given the same cleft, but the bats would be different.

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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2018, 12:00:15 AM »

Personally prefer TKs - the profiles seem to suit me more. My brother liked Salix more when he played.

I've found that both press very well, and from what I've seen, the TK bats are that little bit more responsive, but Ive had far more TK bats than Salix...

In terms of pure beauty of the finished product, I think Salix are on a level of their own, with probably Laver being the next in the pecking order.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2018, 12:16:18 AM »


In terms of pure beauty of the finished product, I think Salix are on a level of their own, with probably Laver being the next in the pecking order.

Interesting point, I thought of Laver too!
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2018, 05:44:40 PM »

You underestimate how much effort goes into aero testing!

I mustn't have made the point clearly as I was saying the opposite, that cycling puts a huge amount of resource into testing equipment when considering the resources that the sport has available
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2018, 06:54:48 PM »

I mustn't have made the point clearly as I was saying the opposite, that cycling puts a huge amount of resource into testing equipment when considering the resources that the sport has available
Makes more sense now 👍 Huge testing in cycling on relatively small resources yep, reason being that money spent on testing = seconds lost on course. Money spent on bat testing does not necessarily lead to improvements in runs scored though, so teams spend their resources elsewhere.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2018, 06:58:25 PM »

Tim makes better bats
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2018, 07:22:20 PM »

In my opinion mid range I would go for GM UK range
For high quality finished and performance I would go salix
performance and generally very good I would.go TK .
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2018, 08:36:09 PM »

Makes more sense now 👍 Huge testing in cycling on relatively small resources yep, reason being that money spent on testing = seconds lost on course. Money spent on bat testing does not necessarily lead to improvements in runs scored though, so teams spend their resources elsewhere.

Personally i just think that cricket is at least a generation behind other sports when it comes to maximising performance.  Taking fitness seriously and employing teams of analysts came late to cricket compared to other sports. 

I would be inclined to say that better performing bats may amount to a marginal gain rather than something that would have a transformative effect on the game  but that is exactly what other sports spend significant resources to achieve.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2018, 08:48:17 PM »

Personally i just think that cricket is at least a generation behind other sports when it comes to maximising performance.  Taking fitness seriously and employing teams of analysts came late to cricket compared to other sports. 

I would be inclined to say that better performing bats may amount to a marginal gain rather than something that would have a transformative effect on the game  but that is exactly what other sports spend significant resources to achieve.
I don't think it's even that - marginal gain territory would be the difference between a bat with 50mm and 40mm edges, for example, but that hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, has it? Personal preference also is arguably more important than small improvements in performance - for example I own several bats that I'd say 'perform' better than my chosen match bat, but my match bat is still definitely my preferred bat. Balance and profile are much more important for many players.
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2018, 10:31:10 PM »

I don't think it's even that - marginal gain territory would be the difference between a bat with 50mm and 40mm edges, for example, but that hasn't made the blindest bit of difference, has it? Personal preference also is arguably more important than small improvements in performance - for example I own several bats that I'd say 'perform' better than my chosen match bat, but my match bat is still definitely my preferred bat. Balance and profile are much more important for many players.

I would say that big edged bats have made a difference in that you no longer need to middle the ball to clear the ropes as the sweet spot has effectively been significantly enlarged.  however, the bat of itself had not changed the game - it is part of a combination of factors which has resulted in greater scoring rates.   take the bats away and you would still see higher scoring rates than a generation ago, but I am fairly confident that they are even higher with today's bats.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2018, 11:08:48 PM »

You just have to realise how many pros bats are made by tim to understand he makes better bats
They depend on consistently incredible bats and a good percentage of the good and great of the game have used his bats
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2018, 11:29:46 PM »

Would he supply more than SS to pro's?
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2018, 05:31:41 AM »

Would he supply more than SS to pro's?
Definitely not, but I would be interested to know the percentage of makers total output that make it into the hands of pros.
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Re: Who Makes Better Bats
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2018, 07:23:45 AM »

The real question is which pros pay for bats from whom.
I have no idea who pays for Andrew Kember's bats but I know that Tim doesn't run a pro bat charity...
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