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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2018, 12:23:41 PM »

As far as I'm aware he didn't hit it.I agree that you should walk if you know you have hit it.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2018, 12:34:04 PM »

As far as I'm aware he didn't hit it.I agree that you should walk if you know you have hit it.

It wasn't a comment on the specific incident. Point is, recreational cricketers should respect and trust each other.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2018, 01:04:51 PM »

'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.

And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.

I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.

And I agree, no need for sledging! I love some good spirited banter, but anything meant to intimidate or offend shouldn't be tolerated.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2018, 01:07:36 PM by HellomynameisJ »
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2018, 01:38:00 PM »

In my opinion DRS hasnt helped in this. Sport used to reflect life, you take the good with the bad. The last great series was in 2005 , no DRS and bad decisions being taken as part of the game. These days the amount of young blokes complaining about decisions is baffling and depressing. Kids dont want to play, older guys dont need the grief and umpires are on a hiding to nothing.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2018, 02:03:36 PM »

I was saying the same thing this morning.You see endless replays in slow mo on the telly with an edge on snicko .
sometimes umpires of any standard just can't tell in real time and so cant give it if they're not sure.then they cop a load of abuse
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2018, 04:07:08 PM »

As far as Im aware the spirit of cricket introduced means all sledging is banned. You can encourage your own players but not make comments about opposition players
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2018, 11:41:39 PM »

From my experience of stepping into senior league cricket at 14 to what I see now as a senior player couple of decades later, the incidence of sledging towards junior players has vastly improved over that time.  What used to be accepted as part of the "toughening up process" simply wouldn't be tolerated now, and rightly so.

Where I see there has been a decline in behaviour is in descent towards umpires and I can see why some leagues struggle to attract sufficient umpires to cover all games.  That said, players have a responsibility to help the umpires.  If you have nicked one and you stand there and wait to be given out, then you are cheating.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 12:29:45 AM »

I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.

And I agree, no need for sledging! I love some good spirited banter, but anything meant to intimidate or offend shouldn't be tolerated.


^This.

Agree on both counts (i guess what i call 'non personal sledging' i should be calling banter ).
Re players walking , yep in social /low grade cricket id walk , but not in high grade cricket with paid umpires.
When i played football or league etc i always played 'to the whistle' ( and so did everyone else) .... there was no "sorry mr referee i knocked on /forward passed /was offside /went out of play , here , have the ball back to give to the opposition".
The main problem with walking /non walking is consistency . We are dealing with humans , so it will never be the case that absolutely everyone would adhere to an honour system .....so better consistency comes from leaving up to the umpires .
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 06:17:20 AM »

In most of the games that I play in, non-batting members of your own team are the umpires. In those games if you know you have edged one then you absolutely should walk out of respect for your umpiring team mate if for nothing else.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2018, 08:59:07 AM »

'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.

And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.

A young lad played a shot (bad sweep), it flicked up and the keeper caught it.. appeal and he stands... stands... stands... not out.. turns and walks off himself

Fair play lad.. he got himself lots of praise and will earn himself a free beer next time he plays us..  there are a few good pads around we just have a lot of choppers  take it way too seriously
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2018, 10:23:51 AM »

I've been watching my son play this season and an amazed by the ill temper and the general nastiness that some of the games have been played in.
little incident yesterday with one of our players.Umpires decision not out,no edge.(proper ACO  umpire)
The kid cops a ton of abuse about not walking and is sledged for the rest of his innings.
Seems to be a win at all costs attitude this year even in the village levels of the league.
The rest of our batters copped abuse after that as well
And we wonder why kids don't play.
Shall I stay at home and (no swearing please) my girlfriend  or get grief on a cricket field all day.

Report the perpetrators to the club. If the club don't take action, report the club to the league. if the league don't take action, report the league to the ECB. Sledging is unacceptable at any level of cricket.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2018, 11:41:34 AM »

'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.

And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.

Why would you want to ban sledging? Not appropriate at a lower level or with youngsters but we play against certain players who we know we can get them out just be giving them a few words early in their innings. Just as an example, bloke batting for the draw this weekend 15 off about 100-110 balls, i said id give him a fiver if he can hit one off the square. The following ball he runs down the wicket thick outside edge for a caught and bowled. He did complain to both umpires upon being caught about the comment but they told him to 'find some mental strength'. He wouldn't have moaned if he had hit it for a boundary....
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2018, 11:43:49 AM »

I will say personal sledging doesn't have a place in the game or calling someone **** etc but jokes about anything that's occurred in the game thus far is perfectly allowed and a part of the game in my opinion.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2018, 12:17:57 PM »

I will say personal sledging doesn't have a place in the game or calling someone **** etc but jokes about anything that's occurred in the game thus far is perfectly allowed and a part of the game in my opinion.

Agree that light hearted banter is great fun if done in good taste - problems occur though when you've got some cream crackers who don't know where the line is.  Is a difficult one to legislate for, as that line moves person to person, but ultimately any kind of chat should be allowed that is non-offensive.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2018, 12:40:16 PM »

Why would you want to ban sledging? Not appropriate at a lower level or with youngsters but we play against certain players who we know we can get them out just be giving them a few words early in their innings. Just as an example, bloke batting for the draw this weekend 15 off about 100-110 balls, i said id give him a fiver if he can hit one off the square. The following ball he runs down the wicket thick outside edge for a caught and bowled. He did complain to both umpires upon being caught about the comment but they told him to 'find some mental strength'. He wouldn't have moaned if he had hit it for a boundary....

Its hard to know where the line is, exactly, obviously, but as a rule of thumb I'd say that if its a joke that is shared between batsmen and fielders, then its banter, if its one-way traffic designed to annoy/upset/antagonise the batsman, personal insults that are thinly disguised as "humour", then its sledging and it really isn't welcome at any level.

As for the example you give, then it depends how it was said and in what context. If it was said once, with a smile, then that's fine and the bloke is clearly a bit of a crackpot for allowing that to put him off. If a similar comment was made EVERY BALL, in an antagonistic manner, then that's probably crossing the line and ruining the bloke's Saturday, and hence sledging.

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