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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2018, 12:48:18 PM »

Its hard to know where the line is, exactly, obviously, but as a rule of thumb I'd say that if its a joke that is shared between batsmen and fielders, then its banter, if its one-way traffic designed to annoy/upset/antagonise the batsman, personal insults that are thinly disguised as "humour", then its sledging and it really isn't welcome at any level.

As for the example you give, then it depends how it was said and in what context. If it was said once, with a smile, then that's fine and the bloke is clearly a bit of a crackpot for allowing that to put him off. If a similar comment was made EVERY BALL, in an antagonistic manner, then that's probably crossing the line and ruining the bloke's Saturday, and hence sledging.

Said that once, but there was a lot of chat towards him for blocking out at over 7 in the game after they lost 3 quick wickets chasing a sub-par total on a road. Although he did last 22 overs so cant have been that bad.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2018, 02:29:30 PM »

And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.

I was always taught to walk as a kid.  And for years I did - indeed, I usually still do, partly because it feels the right thing to do but more because the instinct is ingrained and I've usually take 2-3 steps before my brain says "whoa there boyo". 

Have to be honest though, if I were started out again, I'd play to the umpire every ball and nothing more.

If fielding sides were going to call batsmen back when they've been given LBW to one they've clearly hit, to stop appealing for things that are never out etc (and, in some cases, to stop bringing umpires whose definition of the LBW law changes depending on which side is batting) then maybe.  But having recently witnessed a side refuse to withdraw an LBW appeal, even though the player who had stepped in to umpire genuinely didn't know that a ball pitching outside leg couldn't be LBW, and even where they admitted that the ball had pitched a good six inches outside...
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2018, 02:35:25 PM »

I was once given out caught at slip off a wide yorker that hit the bowlers foot hole and flew sideways to 2nd slip. My bat never left my shoulder and never got within 6 foot of the ball.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2018, 05:07:44 PM »

I was once given out caught at slip off a wide yorker that hit the bowlers foot hole and flew sideways to 2nd slip. My bat never left my shoulder and never got within 6 foot of the ball.

Haha that is bad. My worst was last year - wind blew the bails off with the ball a foot away. The oppo celebrated, and even gave some stick.

So no, I don't advocate walking. 😂
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2018, 08:25:15 PM »

I copped a load of abuse Saturday. Firstly from an oppo spinner after taking him to the cleaners, got an expletive laden rant about ruining his figures and that I should get the f out. He then followed it up when I was given not out on a run out by the umpire, who was a panel official, saying I was a certain type of goner. For what it's worth im certain I was in, so just said that I beg to differ. Their keeper was offering me 'advice' during my innings on my technique, nothing bad but just to unsettle me, so I recycled his lines at him about committing to shots etc when he batted.

I admit I am competitive, and will give as good as I get with a few gentle lines, but I would never go on swearing at an opponent or making things personal.

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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2018, 08:35:10 PM »

Walking's a funny one. In football you play to the whistle, so why not in cricket? Trying to take the moral high ground is questionable IMO. People moan about 'being triggered' but then grumble about non walkers. If you leave it to the umps, dodgy and all, you really should have no complaints. They miss some that are out, and give some that aren't out, that's how it goes. If you really feel strongly about it, buy yourself a 'Bradman was a C-word' T-shirt, because he NEVER walked.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2018, 09:21:41 PM »

But look at the state of football. Everyone falls over at the slightest whiff of contact and his has made the. Viewing spectacle poorer for it. Many umpires are clubbies and there are a number of difficult decisions to judge. Help out your club and build a reputation as a club that you are playing the game to the rules. If you hit it and its caught youre out. End of. You shouldnt have to rely on your own umpire not giving you or rely on an elderly league umpire not to hear it. Poor
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2018, 10:15:20 AM »

But look at the state of football. Everyone falls over at the slightest whiff of contact and his has made the. Viewing spectacle poorer for it. Many umpires are clubbies and there are a number of difficult decisions to judge. Help out your club and build a reputation as a club that you are playing the game to the rules. If you hit it and its caught youre out. End of. You shouldnt have to rely on your own umpire not giving you or rely on an elderly league umpire not to hear it. Poor

so, when was the last time you called a batsman back because you knew he'd been triggered?
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2018, 10:26:56 AM »

For the last two weeks we've had grief, first one last week was our skip kicking off at their umpire for calling a wicket that was a no-ball. This week it was about the use of the ball, oppo (home team) apparently always use a new ball between innings and our skipper wasn't having any of it.

Having not scored a run this season (too many poles, it's depressing) and these incidents makes me just take a month off which is what I'm doing..
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2018, 10:34:44 AM »

For the last two weeks we've had grief, first one last week was our skip kicking off at their umpire for calling a wicket that was a no-ball. This week it was about the use of the ball, oppo (home team) apparently always use a new ball between innings and our skipper wasn't having any of it.

Having not scored a run this season (too many poles, it's depressing) and these incidents makes me just take a month off which is what I'm doing..

Do people not always use a new ball for both innings? Surely it is just a huge advantage to bat second then, especially if you play with a good quality ball that will stay firm for the full overs.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2018, 10:59:38 AM »

Do people not always use a new ball for both innings? Surely it is just a huge advantage to bat second then, especially if you play with a good quality ball that will stay firm for the full overs.

We bowled first with a Dukes that got absolutely battered. To be honest I'm too far away from it all to even care right now.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2018, 01:07:47 PM »

so, when was the last time you called a batsman back because you knew he'd been triggered?
On 2 occasions last season I told the captain to rescind the appeal. He chose not to. It didnt sit comfotably so h me.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2018, 01:38:49 PM »

I don't play at a great level so for me walking is just part of what I think you should do. I can understand at higher levels when someone is being paid, ethics aren't as important to all players.

If I think a player has hit it and he doesn't walk I just ask them politely if they did. If they say they didn't I'll give them the benefit, sometimes your eyes and ears play tricks. If they admit to it, then they are happy for the umpire to be the sole judge and therefore I will appeal for anything I think he might give. I don't appeal unless I think it is close to being out lbw otherwise. I'll also apologise to a batsman if I appeal and I realise I have got it wrong.

Sledging is generally pretty boring and again, at my level, not acceptable in my opinion. I find it odd that you'd want to be rude to someone, usually who you don't know. The few times I get people commenting on my technique (no-one in my league has a decent technique) or other petty jibes, it has only served to focus me more and generally I bat better.

Some idiot the other day started moaning at me for re-attaching my thigh-guard strap after it came loose running a single. I hadn't yet faced a ball, we were clearly going to lose the game, what did he gain apart from me now thinking he is a (insert your own word).

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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2018, 01:45:02 PM »

On 2 occasions last season I told the captain to rescind the appeal. He chose not to. It didnt sit comfotably so h me.

If this is correct and you were the bowler, kudos - you'd be about the first!  ;)
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2018, 01:49:48 PM »

I was t the bowler. I never/rarely bowl. It was when the team get together and the bowler/keeper says that clipped his thigh pad not his bat
I dont care whether we win or lose. But I would rather lose than win knowing we had cheated. I would rather get a reputation as a fair team than be top of the table due to dodgy decisions.
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