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What would you prefer?

Same length games, earlier starts
- 22 (51.2%)
Less overs, same early afternoon start times
- 5 (11.6%)
Less overs AND earlier starts
- 4 (9.3%)
Sod off and leave my cricket matches alone
- 12 (27.9%)

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The future of league cricket
« on: July 05, 2018, 08:42:02 PM »

All this palaver over the football on Saturday has got me thinking - where do you see league cricket going? Suspect the days of a 45/50 over a side game starting at lunch and going on all day could be numbered, could participation be boosted by either shorter games or earlier starts? Would it be more attractive to the yoof if we ditched all the tradition and went to pink ball t20 leagues? Place your votes now.

Personally whilst I wouldn't mind the overs dropping a bit it wouldn't feel like a proper game if it wasn't a decent length, but earlier starts I'd be all for.
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 08:52:00 PM »

I see it all moving to 2020 stuff. Sadly I dont think itll help participation at all but itll still go that way. Astro wickets too, turf grounds will get less and less due to cost and time
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2018, 09:01:22 PM »

We field 3 sides on a Saturday.


Currently we have 21 players.

Some due to football, but the majority arent available as everyone(oppo and most of our club) want early games. Weve lost 8 decent lads as they work Saturday mornings.

If we went to early starts every week theyd stop playing, as Jak elequently put it last night I build extensions and conservatories Saturday mornings, who on earth would want me rocking up at half 7 after cricket to start building in there back garden?


Me personally always preferred 2pm starts. I am up every week day at 4.50am for work. Saturday I have a lay in till 8. Then am at the club for half ten to help mow the outfield, Do the last cut on the strip and mark creases among a few other jobs before a game.

I ask you all, if we start at 11am every game, will any off you be getting up and at the club for 7am to help with pitch prep etc??
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2018, 09:05:23 PM »

The Kent league have recently released a proposed restructure to make it more regionalised apart from the top 3 divisions. Their aim is to stop the drop in sides pulling out of the league (17 in 2017 apparently) and making start times earlier along with reduced overs for some leagues
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 09:07:14 PM »

The problem is there  is a fundamental difference in what ameteur cricket is there for and you can't get round it from the start

That is if it's purely a recreational game then we have to get as many people playing as possible , so limited overs, early start, 202O in league matches, all that should be tried....simply because we don't want cricket dying-which it is.

Then again are clubs there to provide pro players? If not it will remain an elite sport where the counties go to private schools (better facilities) to get players, or clubs with huge resources.

One of our clubs ex colts just played in the final at lords last Saturday...now as soon as he was spotted he went to a better club who played  a  longer format. Now.....he would of made it anyway I've no doubt but we are very very proud of him-we have done the intial work at 10-16-when I say we I mean our coaches, not me personally.


So...I see it from both sides. If I had to make a decision I would say the game must flourish long term-that means changes to club cricket

How that would prepare for the higher level I have no answer to.

That's on the basis club cricket is more like county cricket of course, maybe there are some who think it does not need to be, be interesting to see if others hold  the view it does not matter whether the format reflects a higher level of cricket
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 09:21:20 PM »

Would it be more attractive to the yoof if we ditched all the tradition and went to pink ball t20 leagues? Place your votes now.

I love t20 and pink balls but they have a place, and that place is firmly in the evening during week. The day it comes into Saturday cricket is the day Im gone. Placate the yoof all we like, but the people who actually run cricket need a voice too. In my specific case i run the play cricket site, newsletters and social media, Im fixtures sec, membership sec and a coach as well as a 1st team player. I also help a little on the ground. Leagues wise I sit or have sat on 3 league committee in recent years. I cant see any lads who just want to play t20 and be home to play PS4 by 6 taking on all of my roles.

Im all for starting earlier. I appreciate people work mornings but I honestly dont see a great deal of difference between a 12 start and a 1 start in terms of work.

Other factors aside from start times are important too. On Saturdays our club moved leagues over the winter, Ive gone from 50 over games starting at 12 to 45 over games starting at 1. Due to the new league being less stringent with over rates than the old one, we end up finishing at the same time or sometimes even later than we used to.

If the over rates were sorted than wed finish at reasonable times, but I find myself twiddling my thumbs in the morning now. Id be happy with an 11 or 1130 start.

English football has not been up to much during my lifetime, so Ive never had to tell a captain Im unavailable due to wanting to watching a quarter or semi final. But I know the answer would have been fine but dont expect to get picked again anytime soon.

The sad reality is there are too many clubs now and not enough players to go round. So these players who declare unavailability to watch football will no doubt be begged to play next week as teams are short rather than being taught a lesson and not being selected at all.

Maybe Im too old in my thinking. Im only 29 but some of the teenagers I coach look at me goggle eyed when I tell them I wouldnt have dreamt of asking a captain where I was going to bat or bowl when selected in the 1s aged 15. It seems the default response now, and the captains answer seems to dictate whether that teenager is available or not.

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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 09:24:11 PM »

Theres an appetite for early starts in Leics this weekend at least. A league game has been arranged for a 6am (yes, 6am!) start so they can get into the pub when it opens and secure a prime spot for the game

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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 09:25:51 PM »

The problem is there  is a fundamental difference in what ameteur cricket is there for and you can't get round it from the start

That is if it's purely a recreational game then we have to get as many people playing as possible , so limited overs, early start, 202O in league matches, all that should be tried....simply because we don't want cricket dying-which it is.

Then again are clubs there to provide pro players? If not it will remain an elite sport where the counties go to private schools (better facilities) to get players, or clubs with huge resources.

One of our clubs ex colts just played in the final at lords last Saturday...now as soon as he was spotted he went to a better club who played  a  longer format. Now.....he would of made it anyway I've no doubt but we are very very proud of him-we have done the intial work at 10-16-when I say we I mean our coaches, not me personally.


So...I see it from both sides. If I had to make a decision I would say the game must flourish long term-that means changes to club cricket

How that would prepare for the higher level I have no answer to.

That's on the basis club cricket is more like county cricket of course, maybe there are some who think it does not need to be, be interesting to see if others hold  the view it does not matter whether the format reflects a higher level of cricket

There might be a future in having two structures. A proper cricket system and a 2020 system. One caters for the pro circuit and those not interested in 2020 and the 2020 caters for casual players who just want a quick hit. These can be played at leisure centers and schools astros to save time, cost and of course.. they can just rock up and play.
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 09:47:26 PM »

I think it will end up 2 tiers and sooner than you think... with so many clubs folding or struggling.

Think it will be the 1st team playing 45-50 over games and then having a morning and afternoon/evening T20 teams.

Players can choose to play in the morning or later afternoon/evening.

Players will also be bale to play into older age also and still stay competitive..
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 10:15:49 PM »

Shorten the format and start earlier . Not everyone wants to dedicate there entire Saturday and evening to cricket.

I know a lot of people that have stopped playing because it is too long and I can honestly see why.....

They could implement 8 ball overs also to speed things up.

Cricket is a dying sport and the old timers that are running the commitees need to get with the times
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 10:19:42 PM »

On another note why do we still wear whites in amateur cricket ?

I think there are so many things that could be improved in the amateur game
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2018, 03:01:05 AM »

On another note why do we still wear whites in amateur cricket ?

I think there are so many things that could be improved in the amateur game


Because red balls are still better than white/pink ones ?
But yeah , if you're playing limited overs it would be better to play in coloured kit .
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2018, 05:56:51 AM »

Shorten the format and start earlier . Not everyone wants to dedicate there entire Saturday and evening to cricket.

I know a lot of people that have stopped playing because it is too long and I can honestly see why.....

They could implement 8 ball overs also to speed things up.

Cricket is a dying sport and the old timers that are running the commitees need to get with the times

As has been said before.. not everyone wants shorter games so for every person you may attract, youll lose another so it wont help.
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2018, 06:17:51 AM »

As has been said before.. not everyone wants shorter games so for every person you may attract, youll lose another so it wont help.

Fully agree.

Ive been playing atleast 47 overs on a sat for 21 years now and dont want to change.

I can play t20 ties wed and third if I want. Be a waste of a Saturday if it was just the same overs. Okay I like my tea!!
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Re: The future of league cricket
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2018, 06:19:44 AM »

I'd hate to see the game reduced to T20 on a Saturday. Much prefer the longer form of the game. However, I'm nearly 50 and I suspect that there would be a far greater proportion of younger players that wouldn't be so bothered. My club gets 4 teams out every Saturday and has never conceded a game but we do have more older players that will leave the game soon than younger players coming through at present.
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