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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2018, 07:23:12 PM »

Heard that too tonight on the t20

If he's come out with that then surely they've had a word with him and he's in with a chance of playing. The bowl off between the spinners in the lions game was pointless by looks of it, not many overs for either of them

If they do pick Rashid, I don't agree with it if he hasn't been playing red ball for Yorkshire, can't pick him on the back of ODI wickets, as much as I'd like to see him play
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2018, 07:24:53 PM »

Interview with Baylis earlier suggested Rashid May back track on his white ball only plan after seeing Buttlerís success in Odis.


Apparently now Rashid has released a statement too saying red ball cricket may be back on the cards.


Rashid for this test squad??


Here it is..... it was an interview with Sky for his England Diary when he talked about it.

Personally I don't think you should be able to hold your country to ransom like that and be saying you'll consider it if they want me to play! You either play or you don't end of.

'Rashid: I'd consider Test recall'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11442327
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2018, 07:54:14 PM »

Don't forget, Stokes can't play the 1st test due to court dates, which might influence the balance of the team.

Maybe bump Butter up to 6 and pick a bowling all rounder at 7. Curran or Woakes? Or do we start looking at Bess as an all-rounder too?

Kind of agree with the folks who have Leach ahead of Bess, but without Stokes does Bess' batting count for more?

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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2018, 07:59:48 PM »

Good point forgot about the court date. Bess looked good to me and showed some character.

I think thou that makes Woakes more likely to play. Six and out pointed out a left arm spinner with all their right henders might be more dangerous .

I'm yet to see an Indian batsman troubled by spin either way thou.....Mo Ali did well last time they were here which was a bit of a surprise to me anyway
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2018, 08:03:42 PM »

Update! Just read Bayliss says Stokes plays first test, misses the Lords test due to trial.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2018, 08:30:41 PM »

Update! Just read Bayliss says Stokes plays first test, misses the Lords test due to trial.

Stokes Trial is on August 6th (day after 1st Test could finish) and is expected to last between 5-7days. 2nd test starts August 9th.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2018, 09:01:28 PM »

Interview with Baylis earlier suggested Rashid May back track on his white ball only plan after seeing Buttlerís success in Odis.


Apparently now Rashid has released a statement too saying red ball cricket may be back on the cards.


Rashid for this test squad??

So, Andrew Gale asked Rahid to play the Roses match and was basically told to p155 off.  According to two papers today, Ed Smith has asked Rashid to reconsider and all of a sudden its back on.

Ho hum.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2018, 09:12:07 PM »

Rashid and hales should never of given up red ball cricket in the first place, it was daft, Butler has more brains and had the right idea, he was planning to play for lancs  this season long before he got a surprise call up.

I don't see any problem at all, Gale is not an England selector so there is no issue.

The problem with some of these Counties is they think they are bigger than the England team, most of them are being propped up financially and don't pay the wages of those contracted to England.

If I was Andrew Gale I'd pick up the phone and say thanks to Ed Smith. Rashid is more likely to play for England if he plays some 4 day cricket for Yorkshirw.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2018, 11:36:03 PM »

England have struggled in recent times to win tests because they don't have the ability to take 20 wickets in the game, particularly away from home.  They need to start picking bowlers on the basis that they are likely to take wickets rather that because they can bat a bit
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2018, 04:37:29 AM »

Isnít he a bit less likely to get people caught on the fence at cow trying to smash his long hops for 6 in tests?

One great delivery does not make him a world class spinner all of a sudden. Itís not like there arenít other good ODI spinners who are poop in tests.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2018, 05:58:48 AM »

What is the difference now that they reckon Rashid can be our main spinner (in a 1 spinner attack), when they wouldn't pick him and sacked him off a year and a half ago??

It is still the same coach. Just different captain and selector, I suppose that makes the difference.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2018, 06:28:36 AM »

Maybe Rashids a better bowler now than he was in 2017.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2018, 06:32:12 AM »

Maybe Rashids a better bowler now than he was in 2017.

Might be, hasnít played much red ball cricket in that time though.

Would also be worried it would get to the deciding 5th test in the ashes and heíd drop out too tired. ;)
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2018, 07:50:55 AM »

Maybe Rashids a better bowler now than he was in 2017.

How can we possibly know that he's played no red ball cricket. Bowling leg spin in white ball is completely different, you have to attack etc... in red ball you just sit and wait for the bad one, which Rashid is still bowling at the moment.

Question... do you think that ball in the last ODI gets Kohli out in Tests? Because for me he plays a forward defensive and at best nicks to slip rather than trying to force it through the off side.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2018, 08:44:36 AM »

If not Rashid then who? Mason Crane showed the most potential our of the 3 lads to have recently made their debuts but he is out injured for the season.  The cupboard is very bare when it comes to spin bowling options right now
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