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Yeah it does seem so.

We don't play at a high standard so everyone initially wants to score as many as possible or stop the opposition scoring as many as possible. Most teams have one or two decent bats but usually 3 decent bowlers who dominate games. The second half will nearly always start with teams going for the win. Then, when they don't look like winning they can often play very negative cricket to deny points to the winning team and also scrape a few themselves. They wouldn't bat like this if they were close to winning.

I guess in better leagues the batting is much better and deeper so allowing a team to just score 180-5 would be beneficial if you wanted to bowl very negatively.

My whole point is that it is a very long day (we finished at 8pm on Saturday). A lot of people are leaving the game because they want a Saturday night free. Or they don't want to commit over 8 hours door-to-door to something. In our league you sometimes get a chance to finish early if a game is one-sided (a rare treat) but then someone decides to drag it out.

I'm questioning if I will play next season. I might do but I am getting sick of missing friends' birthday meals, bbqs, or just general socialising. If I could restrict cricket to 6 hours 11am-5pm then I can go for breakfast or dinner. My other option is to play occasionally but I've never been able to do that, I think you need to commit to a league.
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Yeah it does seem so.

We don't play at a high standard so everyone initially wants to score as many as possible or stop the opposition scoring as many as possible. Most teams have one or two decent bats but usually 3 decent bowlers who dominate games. The second half will nearly always start with teams going for the win. Then, when they don't look like winning they can often play very negative cricket to deny points to the winning team and also scrape a few themselves. They wouldn't bat like this if they were close to winning.

I guess in better leagues the batting is much better and deeper so allowing a team to just score 180-5 would be beneficial if you wanted to bowl very negatively.

My whole point is that it is a very long day (we finished at 8pm on Saturday). A lot of people are leaving the game because they want a Saturday night free. Or they don't want to commit over 8 hours door-to-door to something. In our league you sometimes get a chance to finish early if a game is one-sided (a rare treat) but then someone decides to drag it out.

I'm questioning if I will play next season. I might do but I am getting sick of missing friends' birthday meals, bbqs, or just general socialising. If I could restrict cricket to 6 hours 11am-5pm then I can go for breakfast or dinner. My other option is to play occasionally but I've never been able to do that, I think you need to commit to a league.


I am barely playing weekend this season for similar reasons. I have a young family now and I cannot justify being out of the house from 12noon to 9pm every Saturday, as much as I enjoy Saturday cricket. Last year I tried playing alternate games, but it really didn't work at all, I never found any kind of form, and I didn't enjoy it.

This year I am throwing myself into midweek T20 cricket instead, which is less of a time commitment. It seems to be working better as I am actually enjoying the games I get to play.


The MAJOR problem we have as a club is that the league we are in is very badly organised, and its letting our players down badly. For some reason the league decided on small leagues with only 12 fixtures, and with some clubs having consecutive bye weeks in the middle of the summer. The problem is that they are also very lax on letting teams default without penalty. The upshot of this is that our 2nd XI have gone 7 weeks now without playing a game. 7 weeks in the middle of the summer, with all this sun!

and guess what is happening -  a lot of our players have had enough and have said there is no point being in a cricket club if you never get to play a game so they will take up golf instead.
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Our league ask for feedback each year, I always respond with fewer overs, earlier starts and encourage quick over rates (bonus points for over rates would be good).

Either people don't bother to give feedback or there is a very silent majority saying everything is fine. More likely the people who run the league don't want to change it. 6 more teams are leaving this season for county leagues.
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Our league ask for feedback each year, I always respond with fewer overs, earlier starts and encourage quick over rates (bonus points for over rates would be good).

Either people don't bother to give feedback or there is a very silent majority saying everything is fine. More likely the people who run the league don't want to change it. 6 more teams are leaving this season for county leagues.

I answer similar polls, I have also run a poll within our club in the past.

Honestly, most people responded that they didn't want shorter games and they didn't want earlier starts. They liked 40 overs and they were fine with 1:30pm starts. They thought the travel times were generally fine. They did want quicker over-rates but there isn't much you can do about that.

Every year our league has a vote on various issues from number of overs to bonus points system. Mostly things are the way they are because that's what the majority of players want to do.

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I answer similar polls, I have also run a poll within our club in the past.

Honestly, most people responded that they didn't want shorter games and they didn't want earlier starts. They liked 40 overs and they were fine with 1:30pm starts. They thought the travel times were generally fine. They did want quicker over-rates but there isn't much you can do about that.

Every year our league has a vote on various issues from number of overs to bonus points system. Mostly things are the way they are because that's what the majority of players want to do.

Sorry, forgot to be more clear. We currently play 46 overs from 1.30pm. I suggest we play 40 overs from 12 or earlier if teams agree.

I think you could introduce a bonus point for bowling overs on time. You should be able to bowl 40 in 2.5 hours. Lost balls seems to hamper this at smaller grounds but I don't see why you can't have 4 or 5 spare balls ready and the batting team go look for them (which they should do anyway).
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Sorry, forgot to be more clear. We currently play 46 overs from 1.30pm. I suggest we play 40 overs from 12 or earlier if teams agree.

I think you could introduce a bonus point for bowling overs on time. You should be able to bowl 40 in 2.5 hours. Lost balls seems to hamper this at smaller grounds but I don't see why you can't have 4 or 5 spare balls ready and the batting team go look for them (which they should do anyway).

Theres a rule in our league that after the first 3 balls The bowling side supply, after that the batting side has to supply them

Id lost 3 of hathersage balls in the first 3 overs and our skipper was not happy!
We did have most of our players looking for them though.
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Sorry, forgot to be more clear. We currently play 46 overs from 1.30pm. I suggest we play 40 overs from 12 or earlier if teams agree.

I think you could introduce a bonus point for bowling overs on time. You should be able to bowl 40 in 2.5 hours. Lost balls seems to hamper this at smaller grounds but I don't see why you can't have 4 or 5 spare balls ready and the batting team go look for them (which they should do anyway).

We play exactly that mate... 40 overs in 2.5 hours. And you get penalised 6 runs for every over you are short! It soon speeds the game/people up.

We start at 1.30pm for the majority of the year and are still done by 7pm most games.
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We play exactly that mate... 40 overs in 2.5 hours. And you get penalised 6 runs for every over you are short! It soon speeds the game/people up.

We start at 1.30pm for the majority of the year and are still done by 7pm most games.

That seems more sensible. I'd just like to be done for 5.30ish so I can have a beer with the team and still make it home to go out with my girlfriend for food or something. Would make my life so much easier.
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That seems more sensible. I'd just like to be done for 5.30ish so I can have a beer with the team and still make it home to go out with my girlfriend for food or something. Would make my life so much easier.

Haha.... Yep I think that's a common theme.

I actually think we may go to 12.30pm starts next season, as there is a rumour going round at the moment that it will be put forward at the league AGM.
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We play exactly that mate... 40 overs in 2.5 hours. And you get penalised 6 runs for every over you are short! It soon speeds the game/people up.

We start at 1.30pm for the majority of the year and are still done by 7pm most games.

Slow over rates are endemic all the way from test level to the lowest of the amateur leagues.  That rule sounds entirely sensible to me.
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he MAJOR problem we have as a club is that the league we are in is very badly organised, and its letting our players down badly. For some reason the league decided on small leagues with only 12 fixtures, and with some clubs having consecutive bye weeks in the middle of the summer. The problem is that they are also very lax on letting teams default without penalty. The upshot of this is that our 2nd XI have gone 7 weeks now without playing a game. 7 weeks in the middle of the summer, with all this sun!
Wow, which league is that?
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Wow! Horror stories.

I feel the game of cricket at the grass roots level deserves better stewardship.
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Slow over rates are endemic all the way from test level to the lowest of the amateur leagues.  That rule sounds entirely sensible to me.

It is definitely the way forward,  however the only problem is it is only enforceable in our top 2 divisions (we are in div 1) because there are no league umpires below that.

When you don't have any umpires major arguements can ensue because it takes very strict governence during the game, even in div 1 and 2.

Teams are always asking for more time for lost balls etc... then it's down to the umpire to decide how much time to add on. So it doesn't work when you don't have umpires unfortunately.

We won a game earlier in the season from penalty runs. We were chasing and the oppo were miles behind the rate and it came down to the last wicket. In theory we would of needed 24 but they we penalised 3 overs so 18 runs, so we only needed 6 ! Got them easy. Of course oppo kicked off massively, but it was a league umpire who told them so nothing they could do.

Can you imagine that happening in Div 7 with a player umpireing! There would be riots.
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Wow, which league is that?


Cambs League. For some daft reason they decided to abolish fines for forfeited games in the lower divisions. As any fool could have predicted, the result has been absolute carnage, with teams deciding on the morning of the game that they don't fancy their chances and so just don't bother turning up. At this rate the entre league is a few years away from collapse. I've heard several clubs talking about starting a breakaway league.
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Massive changes have been recommended for the Worcester County League for next season. The Birmingham League is to reduce to 24 teams from 48 and if the 2nd teams are included in this then that's a further 48 teams leaving the Birmingham League as it is now! This would result in my current team going down from Div 2 to about Div 4, while the 2nd's would go from Div 3 of the 2nd's league to Div 8 or 9. This would result in a reduction to 45 overs for the 1st and 40 overs for the 2nd's, which would be fine. However, they are proposing only 8 teams in the lower leagues, so just 14 games. We already don't play for nearly 8 months of the year, so less cricket would be crap! It says possible T20 games to extend the season. This would be ok if its a league, but if its a knock out cup your seasons over pretty quickly if you go out in the first round. Why do the think that lower league players want to play less cricket? Less time - yes, less games - no! Many lower league players were once the higher league players that are just older who still want to play. I agree things need to change and some would be good for me as I can't play as often anymore due to a young family. Less games is not the way forward!

http://www.worcscl.org/forms/WCL%20Possible%20League%20Structure%202019.pdf



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