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Gurujames

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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2018, 04:16:49 PM »

I think British bats are best. Why? Because Im British and I like to support British makers. Thats not to say that makers in other parts of the world are inferior as there are excellent makers worldwide. But for consistent quality and aftermarket care I dont think we can be beaten. if we dont support local makers we will lose them due to cheaper labour and labour practices elsewhere.
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2018, 04:22:34 PM »

I think British bats are best. Why? Because Im British and I like to support British makers. Thats not to say that makers in other parts of the world are inferior as there are excellent makers worldwide. But for consistent quality and aftermarket care I dont think we can be beaten. if we dont support local makers we will lose them due to cheaper labour and labour practices elsewhere.
That is the most honest answer!
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2018, 04:46:05 PM »

Must say personally my top 3 bats of all time ( reckon I have owned and used over 75) are all uk make with these being Salix, UK made GN and my current GM.

I have had some great sub continent bats but they never seem to last or have poor quality handles. Also as per above comments if I can I prefer uk made to support uk makers but now I do only look for bargains as I think the cost has gone a bit silly given I am now a firm believer in that performance is not related to grade
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2018, 05:51:23 PM »

Performance is definitely not related to grade. I've a lovely GM, but had a fantastic Kook gold crown back in the day and a BDM that was incredible. Each country will have master makers, and each manufacturer will produce great sticks, I guess the only consideration is the likelihood of getting a dud, pick the make you think gives you the lowest chance.

To me best means balance and performance, nothing more. Don't care about finishing or looks at all. Value is import and if that's a consideration I think it changes the conversation a little, but I'm of the mantra 'you're better off buying well once, than cheaply twice'
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2018, 06:05:32 PM »

I understand that Asian markets are rotted with counterfeits, fakes and they cut corners even with genuine products.
Which is not only the case for sporting goods but a lot of other things as well, this is how their economy has shaped up due to various reasons.
And there are few dealers who are knowing or unknowingly selling counterfeits Cricketing goods. And I also understand how economy, logistics and product costing works. And as I said that is my opinion and not a conclusion.
I am not generalizing just like that but whenever you go out to shop everyone has some key pointer in his mind for me its value for money and others may have some different criteria. And I may not have used/knocked as many bats as others have or had, that why I asked everyone to state the opinion-criteria for them
And the cleft drying practice is now being followed everywhere to cut down weight for big light bats.
And we get drier bats from subcontinents is due to the climatic conditions. But I do not think there is a huge gulf in the moisture contents in Asian made bats to the bats made elsewhere.
I think breaking of handles are attributed to the reason that they are lot thinner which is due to fact that
You do not get multiple size bats in Pakistan and the same size bat are being used by an adult and a 15-17 year old boy (I may be wrong here). But it is not like every other handle is breaking off.
I may be wrong here as well but I suspect most of the companies get there handles from the subcontinent so the material is the same.
In my experience if you get a Pakistani bat from a good dealer then there are very few chances that you run into such problems.
I know bat making is highly skilled job but when you consider people making thousands of bats in a day there will be some bad bats too, which is true with every bat industry not just Pakistani bats.
I completely agreed with you. My connection from CA says the same. There are lots of counterfeit out there that you dont get to experience the actual products.
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2018, 10:19:38 PM »


You do not get multiple size bats in Pakistan and the same size bat are being used by an adult and a 15-17 year old boy (I may be wrong here). But it is not like every other handle is breaking off.

Not true with genuine bats from reputable sources or direct from factories. I have only ever dealt with AM as I have a good relationship and experiences with them, they are my go to brand for bats and gloves in Pakistan.

I've heard from one retailer he dropped Ihsaan as they sent over real poor bats and wasn't happy with their quality and service either. Lot of people have said CA are expensive when you look at them relative to other leading Pakistani brands. Although they make great sticks... there's better value elsewhere.

The kids size thing is not entirely true either. Reality is they do make smaller size bats but rarely in English willow due to the cost of the cleft.

In the past I have ordered custom harrow bats in English willow from Pakistan and they charged the same price as adult bats due to it being English willow and cost is the same to them. Both bats were awesome and were praised by the Dad's as best bats they had for their kids.

On the flip side there's too many fake bats, especially copies of the big brands so I understand where people are coming from. Just look at video by Hanif at EAS on youtube with fake CA bat and grain sheets!!!
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2018, 09:22:47 PM »

The best value Pakistani bats, in my opinion, are AS Sports bats.

AS Sports bats are an unsung hero.

Great quality, good customer service, very reasonably priced (including international shipping).

Perhaps the only thing you won't like is the stickers but then which other Asian brand does not have layman type stickers that don't scream on your face?
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Re: Bats around the world, which ones are better and why ??
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2018, 12:36:47 PM »

Answer to the question - apparently the ones that aren't in my collection, as I seem to be unable to stop buying! :(

In all honesty, bats from different regions offer different qualities. Huge number of things which affect this, which will be a mixture of different techniques and also conditions. (Bats from Pakistan, Australia and India always seem huge because it's drier there, and so the clefts naturally lose more moisture) Personally I've gotten on best with Indian bats. Light and really ping. In terms of the best for longevity and consistency, I'd most likely buy English/NZ(Laver).

Thing is, a lot of these are perceptions based on what I've used, and I haven't used many English made bats that I've thought, 'phwoar, what a cracker' that are 2.9 and below, while Asian bats tend to offer more forgiveness at lower weights. Just my own experience, please don't shoot me! ;) That being said, around the weights of 2.10-2.11, a lot of English made bats I've had really feel exceptional. This might just be my own tendency to buy bats above 2.9, but perhaps that's also down to my own experience with most lighter bats not quite offering the punch I want. (Have relatively quick hands, but not a big hitter)
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