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Chris King (GN) article
« on: July 27, 2018, 07:29:30 AM »

Hi All,

Apologies if this has been noted before, but I came across an interesting article about bat size being a psychological prop. It centres around a discussion with Chris King, head batmaker at Gray Nicolls. I assume many of the opinions/ facts come from Chris, but could be wrong on that point.
I found one section (below) of particular interest, suggesting that the knocking in process actually helps 'undo' the pressing (de-laminate), rather than my perception of knocking in increasing the pressing (ie knocking in compresses the fibres further, hence dents in the surface which eventually becomes the norm over the whole blade during the knocking in process) -
''...The process of pressing hasn't changed significantly. Modern bats are pressed just slightly less. As the bat is used, the fibres that have been pushed together begin to separate in a process called delamination. In the early stage of delamination the bat reaches its peak, when the ball will feel as though it is trampolining from the face. Cook and Ramprakash, the last generation to have grown up with their bats pressed slightly harder, still prefer to play a bat in themselves in the nets, where they feel the delamination begin. It's an unfamiliar concept now, when bats are effectively already beginning to delaminate before a ball has struck the face, and no longer need as much "knocking in"', the age-old job that used to start the process. ''

link to the full 2014 article here-
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/787773.html

Next question - Do (pro) players or bat makers know best, what makes a better bat?
Current pro bats may be good for between 200- 1,000 runs, but presumably there is quite a lot of net practice with the same bats, to add to the 'workload' before the typical pro bat comes to the end of its useful life.

Lots of food for both thought and discussion.

David
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2018, 09:50:51 AM »

It is the lifespan of a modern bat that stands out the most for me.  I was watching an interview recently with Mike Brearley and he spoke of an occasion when he lent his bat to Dennis Compton for a social fixture and being worried in case Compton damaged it as it was the only bat that he owned. I don't know many amateur batsmen who only have one bat, let alone a first class player.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2018, 04:56:40 PM »

It is the lifespan of a modern bat that stands out the most for me.  I was watching an interview recently with Mike Brearley and he spoke of an occasion when he lent his bat to Dennis Compton for a social fixture and being worried in case Compton damaged it as it was the only bat that he owned. I don't know many amateur batsmen who only have one bat, let alone a first class player.

I think that's the big factor in the difference between what a sponsored player will use and a random punter.  If you're laying down cold hard cash for something like a bat, you don't want it to go pop within a few weeks.  If you get supplied these bats for nothing, you want it to perform as well as possible and care not for the longevity of said blade.  I always used to find that the knocking in process helped you get to know the foibles of your bat, but I must admit it's nice (especially for the wife and neighbours probably) to not have to spend too long doing it.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2018, 05:18:40 PM »

Really hard question to answer how long a bat takes to reach peak performance but my guess even Keeley's take a while a couple of months maybe ??
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2018, 05:33:28 PM »

Bats actually made for Pros (and by that I mean the top level international players) are pressed differently. They ping from the get-go.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2018, 05:37:00 PM »

Bats actually made for Pros (and by that I mean the top level international players) are pressed differently. They ping from the get-go.
I dont believe this to be true. Happy to be proven wrong though.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 05:44:08 PM »

^ Lot of people don't but if you do get your hands on one of the "batch", you will see they are pressed differently.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2018, 06:44:32 PM »

I have had the pleasure of holding and tapping up sarafaz ahmed's bat back in september when they were practicing for the srilanka test series in abu dhabi. And it was pretty clear his bats were unlike anything we see on the shelves. It was white as milk, had about 10 straight grains, spotless and the surface looked very dry and had semi-deep seam marks. The profile was very similar to the "kohli" shape and the bat pinged absolutely everywhere it was unreal. Food for thought...
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2018, 07:04:37 PM »

Smoke and mirrors
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2018, 07:17:50 PM »

^ Lot of people don't but if you do get your hands on one of the "batch", you will see they are pressed differently.
Agree certain manufacturers  do press differently for there pros  and some are open about it and   will press the same for anyone if asked but the willow that' most batmakers   put aside for there pros is different to what's offered to the public.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2018, 07:30:09 PM »

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I have had the pleasure of holding and tapping up sarafaz ahmed's bat back in september when they were practicing for the srilanka test series in abu dhabi. And it was pretty clear his bats were unlike anything we see on the shelves. It was white as milk, had about 10 straight grains, spotless and the surface looked very dry and had semi-deep seam marks. The profile was very similar to the "kohli" shape and the bat pinged absolutely everywhere it was unreal. Food for thought...

Is there a science to it- for selecting a cleft, pressing and manufacturing a pro-bat (when I say pro i mean big names) or is it just the gut feeling and experience of a bat maker. And when you say 'unlike anything we see on the shelves' does that mean G1+, pro edition, player's grade, limited edition are all rubbish.

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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2018, 07:34:32 PM »

Although obviously I have no proof of this I can promise that my match bat which was never marked as a pro bat pings better than most of the pros match bats Ive seen
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2018, 07:42:32 PM »

So how are they pressed and if that presiding came to the recreational level what effect would it have on the bat In terms.of the poorer quality league balls which are not bat brekaers but are harder and have a this lacquer on and make a more cheaper sound when it comes off the bat
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2018, 07:48:47 PM »

Any good batmaker will press every bat to get the best out of it
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2018, 07:59:16 PM »

If it's Just pressing, why won't a bat maker press each bat with same precision. I do not think it costs extra money or time.

And as I understand major bat makers buys different clefts for their star-sponsored players.
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