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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2018, 07:07:36 AM »

Well said, absolutely...

Iím sure thereís a lot of us just hoping his account was the right one

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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2018, 08:55:02 AM »

I hesitate to use the word "facts" because in any trial reliant on witness statements, there are very few hard and fast "Facts". They are people's memories and those are never factual.

So, I guess, the only facts are two guys with facial injuries and the video of Stokes clobbering them
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2018, 09:58:42 AM »

So, I guess, the only facts are two guys with facial injuries and the video of Stokes clobbering them

as well as the video of one of them brandishing a bottle, and the other one using a street sign as a weapon...

*according to reports*
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2018, 10:36:06 AM »

the people of Bristol thankful that no entry sign has been removed it's saved a thousand spot fines

*according to reports*
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2018, 11:48:03 AM »

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Mr Cole quizzes Mr Cunningham on his police statements and asks him why he said he had seen the CCTV at the time of the incident in Sept - but he told the court today it was the first time he had watched it. Mr Cunningham admits he cannot explain it. #BenStokes

Talk about being given a lifeline
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2018, 02:09:08 PM »

Ben Stokes was "spiteful and angry" towards a ....*insert cricketer here* bouncer..

That sounds pretty accurate of ben's character :D
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2018, 03:11:28 PM »

Anybody any further comments on the trial?

Must admit, I've been waiting for Stokes' lawyer to drop in some very convincing evidence as to why the event all took place but haven't heard anything up to now!

I was expecting the 2 blokes that Stokes' claims to have been defending to give evidence to that effect but to date I don't think I've seen them give any evidence? Have they declined? Can they decline?

Doesn't look good for him at the moment I don't think!
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2018, 03:13:03 PM »

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Mr Corsellis asks Stokes who he was speaking to as he mouth words and looked up at night sky in front of the club after being refused a handshake and Stokes responds: "God?" #BenStokes

Spat my tea out reading that
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 03:19:31 PM »

Spat my tea out reading that

Yeah, not sure that comments would go too much in his favour!
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2018, 03:24:39 PM »

Anybody any further comments on the trial?

Must admit, I've been waiting for Stokes' lawyer to drop in some very convincing evidence as to why the event all took place but haven't heard anything up to now!

I was expecting the 2 blokes that Stokes' claims to have been defending to give evidence to that effect but to date I don't think I've seen them give any evidence? Have they declined? Can they decline?

Doesn't look good for him at the moment I don't think!
Very strange they haven't been called to witness. Also is one of them in the video where stokes is arrested? As the person said stokes is innocent and he doesn't wish to press charges. 

Not only that but the 2 Ryan blokes were going home with the 2 blokes stokes was sticking up for, before it kicks off. Still there's 4 minutes of something happening that hasn't been videoed or accounted for

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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2018, 03:46:41 PM »

Very strange they haven't been called to witness. Also is one of them in the video where stokes is arrested? As the person said stokes is innocent and he doesn't wish to press charges. 

Not only that but the 2 Ryan blokes were going home with the 2 blokes stokes was sticking up for, before it kicks off. Still there's 4 minutes of something happening that hasn't been videoed or accounted for

What seems to have happened is that after an argument with a bouncer, Stokes has inserted himself into an argument between four lads who had been hanging out together in the nightclub, and has just completely lost his mind and beaten two of them to a pulp.

Now if these two lads were willing to repeat what they said to the Sun in return for a significant portion of money, then they would have presumably been called as witnesses for the defence. So presumably they're unwilling to repeat it whilst under oath.

But this does rather beg the question as to why they are not being called by the prosecution. Maybe they think they have more than enough evidence to convict from the CCTV footage and the testimony of the bouncer and the copper?
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2018, 04:25:02 PM »

What seems to have happened is that after an argument with a bouncer, Stokes has inserted himself into an argument between four lads who had been hanging out together in the nightclub, and has just completely lost his mind and beaten two of them to a pulp.

Now if these two lads were willing to repeat what they said to the Sun in return for a significant portion of money, then they would have presumably been called as witnesses for the defence. So presumably they're unwilling to repeat it whilst under oath.

But this does rather beg the question as to why they are not being called by the prosecution. Maybe they think they have more than enough evidence to convict from the CCTV footage and the testimony of the bouncer and the copper?


Impossible to believe the two guys being stuck up for by Stokes(he says) are not called by the defence, you cant exactly turn down a court rwquest...

where are they ?  they surely hold the key to the whole thing...
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2018, 04:30:19 PM »

Impossible to believe the two guys being stuck up for by Stokes(he says) are not called by the defence, you cant exactly turn down a court rwquest...

where are they ?  they surely hold the key to the whole thing...


The defence team will definitely have talked to them, and they clearly didn't like what they heard, otherwise they would have called them as witnesses.

As I was told at the time of the incident, it was the ECB  that set up the  story with the sun. But reading a script to the sun that they've been provided by the ECB in return for a wad of cash is not the same thing as lying in court.
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2018, 05:43:29 PM »

Letís say a stokes is found guilty of affray and gets suspended sentence with community service- would that be for chance to shine?!
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2018, 06:48:52 AM »


The defence team will definitely have talked to them, and they clearly didn't like what they heard, otherwise they would have called them as witnesses.

As I was told at the time of the incident, it was the ECB  that set up the  story with the sun. But reading a script to the sun that they've been provided by the ECB in return for a wad of cash is not the same thing as lying in court.

"I submit into evidence exhibit 'A', pages 1, 5 and 6 of The Sun newspaper, dated xx/x/xx"

Said no one, ever...
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